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Grantorino 19 NOV 2020 a las 8:04
Is it me or are games becoming way too expensive for what they are?
Edit: I don't care about this thread anymore so just let it fade away please. Thank you.
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Runkel 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:15 
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100% Correct and that's the whole issue. If the customer is willing to spend 70+ Bucks for a game the publishers will happily take it and raise the prices more and more and more until people stop spending money.

Except as its repeatedly been pointed out they aren't raising the prices. Game's have been sold for $70 for over 20 years now and the prices haven't actually gone up. Game prices are actually lower then they have been in decades compared to the buying power people have now.

Not to mention the sales, bundles, and options people have now are incredible compared to what it was 10-20 years ago. I mean sites like humble bundle and all the sales have made gaming cheaper then ever.

All this despite the cost of the developing games increasing by over 100x.

You don't see the bigger picture. 10-20 Years ago ingame purchases weren't nearly as common compared today, Bundles weren't THAT necesarry (or attractive for that reason) because you didn't have to buy/pay so much to get a complete game. Crunch wasn't nearly as hard or common compared to this day AND the audience wasn't even nearly as big as today
Brian9824 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:26 
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Except as its repeatedly been pointed out they aren't raising the prices. Game's have been sold for $70 for over 20 years now and the prices haven't actually gone up. Game prices are actually lower then they have been in decades compared to the buying power people have now.

Not to mention the sales, bundles, and options people have now are incredible compared to what it was 10-20 years ago. I mean sites like humble bundle and all the sales have made gaming cheaper then ever.

All this despite the cost of the developing games increasing by over 100x.

You don't see the bigger picture. 10-20 Years ago ingame purchases weren't nearly as common compared today, Bundles weren't THAT necesarry (or attractive for that reason) because you didn't have to buy/pay so much to get a complete game. Crunch wasn't nearly as hard or common compared to this day AND the audience wasn't even nearly as big as today

I do see the bigger picture, 10-20 years ago you paid the same price or more beat the game and then there was nothing. Now developers extend the life of the game with additional content and options.

In game purchases are optional and often subsidize those who don't buy them. Just look at games like Path of Exile that are able to be offered for free because of them.

It's pretty well known what games have season passes and you can wait for a deal on it, like when I snagged Borderlands 3 and the season pass for $30 instead of the $90 it retailed for.

No one forces people to buy extra content, and stories that add on to the main game, and you seem to forget that you have the entire base game to play. If a game has overpriced DLC then just ignore it and laugh at those buying it.

If I've enjoyed a game and they release DLC for $10 that adds MORE enjoyment, i'll probably buy it based on how much content or additional playtime I get out of that $10. 10-20 years ago i'd have stopped playing the game and moved on to something else instead.
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Runkel 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:34 
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You don't see the bigger picture. 10-20 Years ago ingame purchases weren't nearly as common compared today, Bundles weren't THAT necesarry (or attractive for that reason) because you didn't have to buy/pay so much to get a complete game. Crunch wasn't nearly as hard or common compared to this day AND the audience wasn't even nearly as big as today

I do see the bigger picture, 10-20 years ago you paid the same price or more beat the game and then there was nothing. Now developers extend the life of the game with additional content and options.

In game purchases are optional and often subsidize those who don't buy them. Just look at games like Path of Exile that are able to be offered for free because of them.

It's pretty well known what games have season passes and you can wait for a deal on it, like when I snagged Borderlands 3 and the season pass for $30 instead of the $90 it retailed for.

No one forces people to buy extra content, and stories that add on to the main game, and you seem to forget that you have the entire base game to play. If a game has overpriced DLC then just ignore it and laugh at those buying it.

No you don't see the biger picture. DLC or Addons aren't something new. For example with Warcraft 3 you got a satisfying base game and could buy later a incredible expansion who added 2 races and an incredible campaign to the base game.

I didn't talk about FREE TO PLAY GAMES, you know games without a 60$+ pricetag, i got over 3k Hours in warframe what i still play and happily support with ingame purchases because i enjoy the game, love the devs and think the business model is fair.

Waiting till prices drop isn't an argument neither is "yOu DoN't HaVe To" wich shows that you are the target audience. And im certain you are trolling at this point just for the sake of it.
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Tito Shivan 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:41 
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You don't see the bigger picture. 10-20 Years ago ingame purchases weren't nearly as common compared today
Games 10-20 years ago were done and done. People didn't expect from a game released a decade ago to push in-game content continuously or be rebalanced or 'changed its meta'... It was 'as-is' (some bugfixing aside) and maybe 2-3 years later you got a DLC.

Nowadays a game not getting updates in a couple months is swiftly considered 'dead'...
Start_Running 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:42 
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100% Correct and that's the whole issue. If the customer is willing to spend 70+ Bucks for a game the publishers will happily take it and raise the prices more and more and more until people stop spending money.
Welcome to the world of business, commerce and trade. Enjoy your stay in Capitalist land.

About Jim sterling, i don't agree with your statement about him. I don't like his online persona (at all) but i believe that he really believes what he's "preaching" in his videos.
He's an actor, well more of a stand up comedian and as such he plays to the room. He plays to his audience. He says what will get the audience happy and avoids things that would prompt his audience to consider that they may be wrong. He won't say or do anything that will endanger his precious clicks.

Which means you can't take anything at face value.

As said. I can imagine if the question of whether or not he should be paid more by sponsors would elicit a very different response for him. Even though its essentially the same circumstance.
Brian9824 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:42 
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I do see the bigger picture, 10-20 years ago you paid the same price or more beat the game and then there was nothing. Now developers extend the life of the game with additional content and options.

In game purchases are optional and often subsidize those who don't buy them. Just look at games like Path of Exile that are able to be offered for free because of them.

It's pretty well known what games have season passes and you can wait for a deal on it, like when I snagged Borderlands 3 and the season pass for $30 instead of the $90 it retailed for.

No one forces people to buy extra content, and stories that add on to the main game, and you seem to forget that you have the entire base game to play. If a game has overpriced DLC then just ignore it and laugh at those buying it.

No you don't see the biger picture. DLC or Addons aren't something new. For example with Warcraft 3 you got a satisfying base game and could buy later a incredible expansion who added 2 races and an incredible campaign to the base game.

I didn't walkt about FREE TO PLAY GAMES, you know games without a 60$+ pricetag, i got over 3k Hours in warframe what i still play and happily support with ingame purchases because i enjoy the game, love the devs and think the business model is fair.

Waiting till prices drop isn't an argument neither is "yOu DoN't HaVe To" wich shows that you are the target audience. And im certain you are trolling at this point just for the sake of it.

They are new when your comparing them to the SNES/N64 era back when games were still $70. Especially as we are talking about console games. Has there even been a game confirmed for PC that's coming at the new $70 price point?

Again, you strengthened my argument and even agreed that there is nothing wrong with in game purchases as WoW has a ton of them and you just used that as an example of a good game. They are optional and not forced on you.

Also waiting is always an option. Unlike 10-20 years ago we have far more sales and you know a game will have significant price drops within 3-6 months. There isn't that much incentive anymore to buy games at release for the majority of games.
Brian9824 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:44 
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100% Correct and that's the whole issue. If the customer is willing to spend 70+ Bucks for a game the publishers will happily take it and raise the prices more and more and more until people stop spending money.
Welcome to the world of business, commerce and trade. Enjoy your stay in Capitalist land.

About Jim sterling, i don't agree with your statement about him. I don't like his online persona (at all) but i believe that he really believes what he's "preaching" in his videos.
He's an actor, well more of a stand up comedian and as such he plays to the room. He plays to his audience. He says what will get the audience happy and avoids things that would prompt his audience to consider that they may be wrong. He won't say or do anything that will endanger his precious clicks.

Which means you can't take anything at face value.

As said. I can imagine if the question of whether or not he should be paid more by sponsors would elicit a very different response for him. Even though its essentially the same circumstance.

The guy thrives off drama and publicity and just does stuff to make a scene because people will click over controversy - https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/jim-sterling-arrested-after-20-minute-rant-at-toll-worker-over-road-microtransactions/

Unfortunately the ignorant masses eat it up because people want something to be outraged over, and will listen to what anyone says.

I mean just look at Fallout 76. All that outrage, fake stories, made up stuff that was being spread around it at launch, and despite its rocky launch its now a well received game with a good rating on steam because people eventualy saw thru all the people jumping on the controversy band wagon and actually decided to try it for themselves and realized how full of ♥♥♥♥ all the youtubers were.

They know controversy sells and gets them clicks.
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Runkel 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:47 
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Again, you strengthened my argument and even agreed that there is nothing wrong with in game purchases as WoW has a ton of them and you just used that as an example of a good game. They are optional and not forced on you.

Again Wrong i never used WoW as an example, Warcraft 3 (And Frozen Throne, the incredible Addon) is NOT World of Warcraft.
Runkel 2 DIC 2020 a las 5:51 
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100% Correct and that's the whole issue. If the customer is willing to spend 70+ Bucks for a game the publishers will happily take it and raise the prices more and more and more until people stop spending money.
Welcome to the world of business, commerce and trade. Enjoy your stay in Capitalist land.

Umm, yes? That's the whole point.
Brian9824 2 DIC 2020 a las 6:02 
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Again Wrong i never used WoW as an example, Warcraft 3 (And Frozen Throne, the incredible Addon) is NOT World of Warcraft.

Ah correction, I misread, but still same thing. Nothing wrong with DLC as you yourself admitted. I mean I loved Diablo 2's expansion.

Sounds more like your on an anti horse armor crusade which again, just don't buy those. The beauty of DLC is your not forced to buy any of it.
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Runkel 2 DIC 2020 a las 6:17 
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Again Wrong i never used WoW as an example, Warcraft 3 (And Frozen Throne, the incredible Addon) is NOT World of Warcraft.

Ah correction, I misread, but still same thing. Nothing wrong with DLC as you yourself admitted. I mean I loved Diablo 2's expansion.

Sounds more like your on an anti horse armor crusade which again, just don't buy those. The beauty of DLC is your not forced to buy any of it.

And again wrong, you can't compare earlier addons with nowdays DLC (with a few expections, for Example the Witchers Blood & Whine expansion was a pretty good addition to the dull main story).

You're shifting the goalposts here DLC and especially Bethesdas rediculous Horse Armor where never the core our arguments.

Edit: Welp im done here, consider yourself as the winner if you want to, i got better things to do then fighting against windmills.
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Brian9824 2 DIC 2020 a las 6:22 
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Ah correction, I misread, but still same thing. Nothing wrong with DLC as you yourself admitted. I mean I loved Diablo 2's expansion.

Sounds more like your on an anti horse armor crusade which again, just don't buy those. The beauty of DLC is your not forced to buy any of it.

And again wrong, you can't compare earlier addons with nowdays DLC (with a few expections, for Example the Witchers Blood & Whine expansion was a pretty good addition to the dull main story).

You're shifting the goalposts here DLC and especially Bethesdas rediculous Horse Armor where never the core our arguments.

Edit: Welp im done here, consider yourself as the winner if you want to, i got better things to do then fighting against windmills.

Perhaps it would help if you actually bothered to explain what exactly your against, you keep complaining about DLC nowadays but don't actually say what you don't like or even say what game. Gonna laugh if its one of those games that sell optional boosters that most people just ignore.

It's like your fighting against an invisible windmill but refusing to say why your fighting it or what issues you have with it and keep talking about the good ole days....
crunchyfrog 2 DIC 2020 a las 14:13 
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Well, sooner or later it will reach steam, publishers are testing how far they can go to squeeze as much money out of consumers as they can, that's why ingame purchases are now common and it will getting worse and worse.
Because people acttually make in game purchases. Its is a model thatt is supportted by the customer. And games have been costing $70 for over a decade already.

Edit:
Jim sterling summed it up pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7kaK2-725w

Jim Sterling essentially parros the sentimentt of his audience.
I'm quite sure if the matter was 'Should Youtubers be paid a higher rate for ads' He'd have a very different sentimentt.
Can't agree with the point about Jim Sterling. He makes it very clear about why it's so and his evidence is frankly correct.

Granted, anyone can disagree with him, but let's not strawman eh?
Lone Wolf 8 JUN 2024 a las 18:41 
Some prices like 50 pounds for one game thats like one week shopping cash to me for food
Kiryn 8 JUN 2024 a las 19:14 
Dec 2, 2020

Was that really necessary?



Meanwhile, I bought my sister two more of the endless detective novel series she currently likes, for her birthday.

Two paperback books.

$41, including tax.

So yeah, tell me about how *games* have increased in price so terribly over the last couple decades.
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