Steam Commission charge to change?

[Force3]

Based on this news link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54985971

The article mentions that developers who earn less than 1 million on the Apple store will only have to pay 15% commission as a way to compete with Amazon.
Since Apple charged less and has a wider customers base, do you think Steam might do the same sometime soon? Epic games charges 12% on a commission fee for developers.
The market is constantly changing and soon Steam will have its equal rival pop up to challenge its business strategy.
Would like to hear everyones thoughts on this and what possibly might happen now that we have a sudden growth in Indie game developers.

[Brian9824]

Steam already changed their commision breakdown about 2 years ago. Epic store can get away with charging devs a lower commission because their product is inferior to Steam and they are willing to operate at a loss to try to get customers, but that is not a survivable strategy for long term.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Force3:

Steam Commission charge to change?

Based on this news link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54985971

The article mentions that developers who earn less than 1 million on the Apple store will only have to pay 15% commission as a way to compete with Amazon.
Since Apple charged less and has a wider customers base, do you think Steam might do the same sometime soon? Epic games charges 12% on a commission fee for developers.
The market is constantly changing and soon Steam will have its equal rival pop up to challenge its business strategy.
Would like to hear everyones thoughts on this and what possibly might happen now that we have a sudden growth in Indie game developers.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697191267930157838

[nullable]

I'm still not sure why gamers are all that concerned over the business arrangement between developer and distributor.

And Steam hasn't been losing market share despite Epic's current strategy. So... what's the incentive for Steam to further change their fee structure? It's not like you're going to get cheaper games out of it. And successful games will still make money and flops will still make a pittance regardless of the percentage breakdown.

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

I'm still not sure why gamers are all that concerned over the business arrangement between developer and distributor.

Propably because they are under the delusion that it will reflect on the games' price.
(In Germany we have our VAT sliced from June to December. I am still shocked that it indeed resultat in lower prices in some shops. Althoug I guess it's more about them being to lazy to adjust their base pricing. :D)

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Steam already changed their commision breakdown about 2 years ago. Epic store can get away with charging devs a lower commission because their product is inferior to Steam and they are willing to operate at a loss to try to get customers, but that is not a survivable strategy for long term.

Plus they have the revenue stream from their lincesing and fortnite.

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

I'm still not sure why gamers are all that concerned over the business arrangement between developer and distributor.

They are under some mad delusion that it will make games cheaper....Which EPic has proven to be false. Games cost the same there as they do on Steam.

And Steam hasn't been losing market share despite Epic's current strategy. So... what's the incentive for Steam to further change their fee structure?

Considering that the STeam commission is significantly smaller than what publishers had to a apply to physical copies. I wonder how many people realize that most stores don't pay more than 50% of the MSRP for their inventory.

[Crazy Tiger]

Epic doesn't offer the features and functionalities that Steam offers. They also calculate certain payment processing fees to the consumer.

Considering the amount of games being released and the growing numbers of Steam users, it wouldn't seem that the revenue really drops. So there isn't really a reason for Valve to change things further.

Just because a price fighter comes around and shouts a lot, doesn't mean you have to change and drop to their level. Nothing Epic has done has really changed much for Steam so far. GoG on the other hand seems to be feeling it.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Epic doesn't offer the features and functionalities that Steam offers. They also calculate certain payment processing fees to the consumer.

Considering the amount of games being released and the growing numbers of Steam users, it wouldn't seem that the revenue really drops. So there isn't really a reason for Valve to change things further.

Just because a price fighter comes around and shouts a lot, doesn't mean you have to change and drop to their level. Nothing Epic has done has really changed much for Steam so far. GoG on the other hand seems to be feeling it.

Yeah...they do seem to be feeling it. I wonder if GOG will do something to reach ouut to third party retailers.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Epic doesn't offer the features and functionalities that Steam offers. They also calculate certain payment processing fees to the consumer.

Considering the amount of games being released and the growing numbers of Steam users, it wouldn't seem that the revenue really drops. So there isn't really a reason for Valve to change things further.

Just because a price fighter comes around and shouts a lot, doesn't mean you have to change and drop to their level. Nothing Epic has done has really changed much for Steam so far. GoG on the other hand seems to be feeling it.

Yeah...they do seem to be feeling it. I wonder if GOG will do something to reach ouut to third party retailers.

They recently added the option to purchase games from the Epic Games Store through GoG Galaxy 2.0, if I'm not mistaken.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Epic doesn't offer the features and functionalities that Steam offers. They also calculate certain payment processing fees to the consumer.

I actually wonder how long they can continue to get away with the latter within the EU territories, as there are certain laws here that restrict processing fees.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Yeah...they do seem to be feeling it. I wonder if GOG will do something to reach ouut to third party retailers.

They recently added the option to purchase games from the Epic Games Store through GoG Galaxy 2.0, if I'm not mistaken.

And The question there is who gets paid the commission?
Or is this basically Epic paying GoG to shill for the, to get greater visibility.
Wouldn't that also mean GoG is selling DRM-ed games

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

They recently added the option to purchase games from the Epic Games Store through GoG Galaxy 2.0, if I'm not mistaken.

And The question there is who gets paid the commission?
Or is this basically Epic paying GoG to shill for the, to get greater visibility.
Wouldn't that also mean GoG is selling DRM-ed games

Depends on the view point. The Epic games aren't for purchase in the GoG store. It's merely manner to purchase games in the Epic games store through GoG Galaxy, so it doesn't actually touch the GoG store itself.

There where people often don't make the distinction between the Steam store and the Steam launcher, GoG is making that distinction, at least it looks like it.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

And The question there is who gets paid the commission?
Or is this basically Epic paying GoG to shill for the, to get greater visibility.
Wouldn't that also mean GoG is selling DRM-ed games

Depends on the view point. The Epic games aren't for purchase in the GoG store. It's merely manner to purchase games in the Epic games store through GoG Galaxy, so it doesn't actually touch the GoG store itself.

There where people often don't make the distinction between the Steam store and the Steam launcher, GoG is making that distinction, at least it looks like it.

And again the question becomes... who gets the fees. Or is GoG Galaxy just opening up THe EGS site in their in built browser?

This sounds kinda sketchy to me really, and might be GoG's first baby steps to pivoting away from their DRM-Free policy.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Depends on the view point. The Epic games aren't for purchase in the GoG store. It's merely manner to purchase games in the Epic games store through GoG Galaxy, so it doesn't actually touch the GoG store itself.

There where people often don't make the distinction between the Steam store and the Steam launcher, GoG is making that distinction, at least it looks like it.

And again the question becomes... who gets the fees. Or is GoG Galaxy just opening up THe EGS site in their in built browser?

This sounds kinda sketchy to me really, and might be GoG's first baby steps to pivoting away from their DRM-Free policy.

When the news came, first question I asked was "Is it their first step towards launcher necessity?". Which goes a bit hand in hand with the DRM question.

[DiceDsx]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

I'm still not sure why gamers are all that concerned over the business arrangement between developer and distributor.

Because Epic arrived with their store, said "30% is bad" and somehow it stuck.

I wish I was joking.

[Tito Shivan]

It follows widespread criticism by developers of the fees Apple charges, and coincides with anti-trust scrutiny

I wonder how much this has to do with competition ( there's no competing appstores which can offer better shares in their mobile enviroment) and how much with anti-trust issues.

Originally posted by RiO:

I actually wonder how long they can continue to get away with the latter within the EU territories, as there are certain laws here that restrict processing fees.

They're in a legal brawl with both Apple and Google, why not add the European Commission to the roster?

Originally posted by cinedine:

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

I'm still not sure why gamers are all that concerned over the business arrangement between developer and distributor.

Propably because they are under the delusion that it will reflect on the games' price.

Remember when going from game cartridges to discs made games cheaper? Me neither.
In a way it still kind of amazes me the resilience of gamers optimism even after all those years.

Originally posted by DiceDsx:

Because Epic arrived with their store, said "30% is bad" and somehow it stuck.

I wish I was joking.

It's also a convenient stick to hit Steam with if you have an axe to grind with the service too.