Question about purchasing steam wallet from other users.

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LegendaryHD 2020年11月17日 23時42分

Is it legal? Purchasing steam wallet from another user, so you make a deal with someone with 1:1 rate, then you pay that person 100 dollars, after that you will have to sell worthless item in the market and they will buy it with the same price which is 100 dollars, and you will get 100 dollars.

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So rather than use $100 to top up your wallet directly on Steam, you want to pay someone else $100 and then sell an item to them for $100... I have to ask why?

Various things that could go wrong here.

First of all you are trusting that someone you don't know is willing to buy your cheap item after giving them $100. What if they don't pay you? What if they issue a chargeback? You are setting yourself up to be scammed.

Additionally, you could also getting yourself involved in someone else's money laundering scheme. If that other user account is sanctioned in some way (eg.fraud), likely yours could be too due to being involved.

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ReBoot 2020年11月18日 2時17分

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You don't get VAC banned for scamming people
Ok you don't get vac banned, but you get your account suspended and trade ban, if you go to someone's profile you can click report and there is an option "They are involved in theft, scamming, fraud or other malicious activity" I've seen some profile that got trade banned and suspended.

... only if there's proof. If there's insufficient proof (and it's easy to scam people without producing sufficient proof), they won't get trade-banned.
You're also forgetting the simple possibility: change. It's entirely possible for the account to get hijacked and getting used for scam, as is a change of heart.

One way or another, what exactly do you get from this profile that you won't get otherwise?

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LegendaryHD 2020年11月18日 2時19分

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Ok you don't get vac banned, but you get your account suspended and trade ban, if you go to someone's profile you can click report and there is an option "They are involved in theft, scamming, fraud or other malicious activity" I've seen some profile that got trade banned and suspended.
... only if there's proof. If there's insufficient proof (and it's easy to scam people without producing sufficient proof), they won't get trade-banned.
You're also forgetting the simple possibility: change. It's entirely possible for the account to get hijacked and getting used for scam, as is a change of heart.

One way or another, what exactly do you get from this profile that you won't get otherwise?

I don't have to go outside.

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ReBoot 2020年11月18日 2時21分

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... only if there's proof. If there's insufficient proof (and it's easy to scam people without producing sufficient proof), they won't get trade-banned.
You're also forgetting the simple possibility: change. It's entirely possible for the account to get hijacked and getting used for scam, as is a change of heart.

One way or another, what exactly do you get from this profile that you won't get otherwise?
I don't have to go outside.

You don't either way. You can order a physical gift card on Amazon. You can top up your Steam wallet directly https://store.steampowered.com/steamaccount/addfunds So why exactly do you insist on going outside?

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LegendaryHD 2020年11月18日 2時22分

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I don't have to go outside.
You don't either way. You can order a physical gift card on Amazon. You can top up your Steam wallet directly https://store.steampowered.com/steamaccount/addfunds So why exactly do you insist on going outside?

I can't top up directly because as I said before it didn't show PayPal as the payment option. I don't want to order physical gift card because it will cost more.

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TheTycoon 2020年11月18日 2時26分

Buy a game with your paypal money and refund it.

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Muppet among Puppets 2020年11月18日 2時27分

LegendaryHD の投稿を引用：
Is it legal? Purchasing steam wallet from another user, so you make a deal with someone with 1:1 rate, then you pay that person 100 dollars, after that you will have to sell worthless item in the market and they will buy it with the same price which is 100 dollars, and you will get 100 dollars.

To pop the bubble of the "logic":

If you give someone 100, to get 100 back with market

1) it does not make sense for the one doing it.
2) the one who gives you the exact 100 back has to pay 115.

So it is not reality.

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ReBoot 2020年11月18日 2時29分

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You don't either way. You can order a physical gift card on Amazon. You can top up your Steam wallet directly https://store.steampowered.com/steamaccount/addfunds So why exactly do you insist on going outside?
I can't top up directly because as I said before it didn't show PayPal as the payment option. I don't want to order physical gift card because it will cost more.

Well, your choice to trust a stranger. Just remember that while this can go good, it doesn't have to. It's like buying from G2A or other shady resellers, there's no shortage of people having good experiences with them, but there's also a slew of negative experiences. Same with your benefactor, they may help you out, but remember that you can get screwed over.

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Muppet among Puppets 2020年11月18日 2時31分

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I can't top up directly because as I said before it didn't show PayPal as the payment option. I don't want to order physical gift card because it will cost more.
Well, your choice to trust a stranger. Just remember that while this can go good, it doesn't have to. It's like buying from G2A or other shady resellers, there's no shortage of people having good experiences with them, but there's also a slew of negative experiences. Same with your benefactor, they may help you out, but remember that you can get screwed over.

100 for 100 by market can not go good.

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Brian9824 2020年11月18日 4時08分

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Being popular means absolutely nothing, there's no shortage of popular YT creators and streamers engaging in lying (i.e. that dude who allegedly got their VAC ban lifted because they're so popular) or downright scams (such as false gambling odds on stream).

There's a huge red flag: that person is either copying the official service (topping up Steam wallet with PayPal) or introducing some convoluted scheme (exchaning items). If something straightforward isn't done in a straightforward way, that's, while not a definitive proof but a strong sign that something fishy's going on.
Let me ask you this question, why his account id never change and he is level 700, if he had scam a lot of people, people will report him and 100% his account will be vac banned, but he didn't have vac banned.

You don't even know its him, for all you know someone hacked his account and your dealing with a scammer.

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Crazy Tiger 2020年11月18日 7時16分

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Let me ask you this question, why his account id never change and he is level 700, if he had scam a lot of people, people will report him and 100% his account will be vac banned, but he didn't have vac banned.

Lack of evidence. People might report things, without actual concrete evidence there is nothing Steam can do.

Scammers often use tricks and go outside of the Steam system. A Paypal transfer is not something that Valve can use as evidence. If you wire the money and the other guy doesn't purchase your items, it's nothing that Valve can base anything on. They can't verify you paid the money and can't know for sure whether you actually got scammed or are simply harrassing someone trying to get them banned.

That's also why reports don't mean much in such situations.

That said, Steam level is completely unimportant and irrelevant, as is the fact his account ID never changed. None of those should be used to determine whether someone is "legit", they're meaningless as indicators. And in reality, scammers love people who think such meaningless indicators have any "legitimacy". That's also why such people love +rep on their profile, it's just as meaningless.

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Spawn of Totoro 2020年11月18日 7時29分

... that makes no sense.

One would lose about... 15% of the purchase through the market, so a 1:1 means someone is taking a loss.

You put an item up in the market for $115 ($100 for you and 15% market fees), yet you only give them $100, so they take a $15 loss.

Yes, there has to be a scam going on somewhere there.

As for doing such things in general, it is an at your own risk venture and out side the protection of Valve's system, so even if the user scammed people, they may not really have a recourse for it.

The scam may not be directly to the user, but if they are stealing Wallet Card or using stolen/fake cards to add wallet funds, then there are many other ways it could be a scam, and the user selling them would fall under money laundering.

And if you can pay someone for Wallet funds, then you may as well just buy a legit Steam Wallet card.

LegendaryHD の投稿を引用：
He's pretty popular and most comments in their profile are legit, I know that there are some profile who had fake +rep, but he is legit, he has been doing this since 2016.

All +rep is meaningless and so considered fake. One can make many alts and give themselves +rep as well as remove any -rep people post.

The only protection is to do the allowed transaction with in the established systems.

LegendaryHD の投稿を引用：
Let me ask you this question, why his account id never change and he is level 700, if he had scam a lot of people, people will report him and 100% his account will be vac banned, but he didn't have vac banned.

Level is meaningless as proof of anything. I've seen many scammers with over 1000.

You can erase your name history, so another pointless way to tell if something is legit.

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LegendaryHD 2020年11月18日 7時54分

Look, I know that you hate scammer and everything about 3rd party you would think it's all fake, every people that sell cheaper sets or steam wallet in steam is fake, every +rep comment in that person is fake it's all alt mad.

First I want to clarify what I was said that is wrong, he didn't sell it for the same price, for example I have to pay him $3.55 then I will sell trash item and he will buy it $3.12.

I also want to mention that he's been here since 2013, he has made 60k total trades and 50k market transaction and his account are clean don't have any type of ban (And yes you can get banned for scamming, you can report people for scamming by clicking report in their profile) He also have 500 people commenting on his profile and I have checked every single of them are real people with high levels up to the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages and some random pages.

He has a lot of good rep in CSGO forum and other steam rep forum also reddit. I never heard any single people saying that he's a scammer. He has over 1k friends and some of them are very high level players 1k+.

Stop thinking that he's like completely stranger, most people know him and he's very popular, why you keep denying about what I said, do you understand that not all people in steam that sell stuff is a scammer, how can he maintain he's image for 7 years if he is a scammer.

He also an owner of a group with 2k people, he have Youtube account and have a lot of videos and content in it, and people have seen his face.

People in denial will say and do anything to protect their own mental image of the world. It's called bias confirmation that protects the brain from learning new opposing knowledge or information. Please be open minded.

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Crazy Tiger 2020年11月18日 8時19分

Rep and levels mean nothing, seriously. You are oblivious to the amounts of people that get scammed by people with "good rep and high levels."

LegendaryHD の投稿を引用：
People in denial will say and do anything to protect their own mental image of the world. It's called bias confirmation that protects the brain from learning new opposing knowledge or information. Please be open minded.

The irony is that this works both ways...

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