STEAM IS DOWN AGAIN? WTF!!!

[Bluecollarboysgaming]

DAMN

[SamA29]

Def some issues going on at Valve lately.

[Bluecollarboysgaming]

All i want to do is play some day z lol

[BlueShark_13]

I noticed this happening a few times this week. It's also not automatically reconnecting as I've had to restart steam to be online to see friends and chat.

[76561199064848809]

Hi :)
Seems Steam is into maintenance or having issues since 2 weeks now, i play CS 1.6 n the issue that all players r having is that u can't c other players' avatars in-game.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/2961670087549319953/#c2961670087549331562

[thotter]

It was down/unavailable for me as well, for about 45 minutes, before I was able to connect to Steam servers again this evening. I guess it is better than being down for 4 hours like on Tuesday. LOL

[76561199064848809]

Actually yes, today 2 hours ago, it was up n good again but now went back down.
Maybe they'r testin out some new staff or somethin, or maybe it is some updates ...

[sebo]

Welcome to Steam.

You weren't aware Steam/Valve "engineers" designed the most unreliable online framework in existence? it has been this way for 20 years..

It's actually hilarious, imagine if Amazon, Google, Facebook or one of the other multi-billion dollar tech giants had to shut down their entire service every other day to make updates/changes/etc.
i think Valve have the same engineers working on the framework since 2001 who like things the old fashion way, or just perhaps do not know how to design a service that can be updated and maintained with some kind of fail-over redundancy built in.

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by sebo:

Welcome to Steam.

You weren't aware Steam/Valve "engineers" designed the most unreliable online framework in existence? it has been this way for 20 years..

It's actually hilarious, imagine if Amazon, Google, Facebook or one of the other multi-billion dollar tech giants had to shut down their entire service every other day to make updates/changes/etc.
i think Valve have the same engineers working on the framework since 2001 who like things the old fashion way, or just perhaps do not know how to design a service that can be updated and maintained with some kind of fail-over redundancy built in.

This is demonstrable rubbish and OP, you shouldn't pay attention to this.

If it were as bad as claimed then EVERYONE would be getting the same service, wouldn't they? And yet they don't, so it CANNOT possibly be Steam's end entirely.

What is far more likely is that, being an internet service, there are MANY links to the chain. Valve rent servers, obviously, and due to the nature of how servers work in a network, they can fail or have brainfarts, and the neighbouring servers pick it up when polling and gradually filter it out of use (until it gets fixed).

So it's quite common for you to experience issues in your region, and it be that way for half an hour or more. Then the server gets filtered out and bypassed and it goes back to normal.

But more than this, there's your ISP, the servers they use, and so on. So it's REALLY hard to pin down as you cannot investigate that.


The best you can do is make sure you check everything you can your end. And if you get stuck ask on here, detailing what you've tried and what's going on. We will help you but be warned that the quality of the answer will depend on the quality of your info.

Oh and do note, maintenance day is on a Tuesday evening (Seattle time), not going on for weeks as another has said.

[thotter]

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Originally posted by sebo:

Welcome to Steam.

You weren't aware Steam/Valve "engineers" designed the most unreliable online framework in existence? it has been this way for 20 years..

It's actually hilarious, imagine if Amazon, Google, Facebook or one of the other multi-billion dollar tech giants had to shut down their entire service every other day to make updates/changes/etc.
i think Valve have the same engineers working on the framework since 2001 who like things the old fashion way, or just perhaps do not know how to design a service that can be updated and maintained with some kind of fail-over redundancy built in.

This is demonstrable rubbish and OP, you shouldn't pay attention to this.

If it were as bad as claimed then EVERYONE would be getting the same service, wouldn't they? And yet they don't, so it CANNOT possibly be Steam's end entirely.

What is far more likely is that, being an internet service, there are MANY links to the chain. Valve rent servers, obviously, and due to the nature of how servers work in a network, they can fail or have brainfarts, and the neighbouring servers pick it up when polling and gradually filter it out of use (until it gets fixed).

So it's quite common for you to experience issues in your region, and it be that way for half an hour or more. Then the server gets filtered out and bypassed and it goes back to normal.

But more than this, there's your ISP, the servers they use, and so on. So it's REALLY hard to pin down as you cannot investigate that.


The best you can do is make sure you check everything you can your end. And if you get stuck ask on here, detailing what you've tried and what's going on. We will help you but be warned that the quality of the answer will depend on the quality of your info.

Oh and do note, maintenance day is on a Tuesday evening (Seattle time), not going on for weeks as another has said.

Well, Steam has definitely had a bunch of issues this week, so it's clearly not just the OP. And I think sebo is correct that Valve doesn't have a very robust platform or infrastructure. With VM clusters, containers, modern automated deployment and orchestration tools, redundant load-balanced hardware, etc...Valve should be able to make downtime extremely rare.

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by Otter in Timeout:

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

This is demonstrable rubbish and OP, you shouldn't pay attention to this.

If it were as bad as claimed then EVERYONE would be getting the same service, wouldn't they? And yet they don't, so it CANNOT possibly be Steam's end entirely.

What is far more likely is that, being an internet service, there are MANY links to the chain. Valve rent servers, obviously, and due to the nature of how servers work in a network, they can fail or have brainfarts, and the neighbouring servers pick it up when polling and gradually filter it out of use (until it gets fixed).

So it's quite common for you to experience issues in your region, and it be that way for half an hour or more. Then the server gets filtered out and bypassed and it goes back to normal.

But more than this, there's your ISP, the servers they use, and so on. So it's REALLY hard to pin down as you cannot investigate that.


The best you can do is make sure you check everything you can your end. And if you get stuck ask on here, detailing what you've tried and what's going on. We will help you but be warned that the quality of the answer will depend on the quality of your info.

Oh and do note, maintenance day is on a Tuesday evening (Seattle time), not going on for weeks as another has said.

Well, Steam has definitely had a bunch of issues this week, so it's clearly not just the OP. And I think sebo is correct that Valve doesn't have a very robust platform or infrastructure. With VM clusters, containers, modern automated deployment and orchestration tools, redundant load-balanced hardware, etc...Valve should be able to make downtime extremely rare.

Utter rubbish I'm afraid.

Pointing out any number of issues in ANY given week does not in any way demonstrate that it's a problem. Nor does it demonstrate they are the same cause, nor does it even demonstrate it's STEAM'S problem. That's completely illogical.

Again, you are wrongly assuming that steam have repeated downtime - they don't. As said already, if that were the case, we'd ALL be affected, and that just is not the case.

So it has to be elsewhere along the chain.

Throwing out buzzwords doesn't prove anything either.

If you think Valve doesn't have a very robust infrastructure, then that's laughable for a claim as you CANNOT possibly know their private circumstances and operation.

[thotter]

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Originally posted by Otter in Timeout:

Well, Steam has definitely had a bunch of issues this week, so it's clearly not just the OP. And I think sebo is correct that Valve doesn't have a very robust platform or infrastructure. With VM clusters, containers, modern automated deployment and orchestration tools, redundant load-balanced hardware, etc...Valve should be able to make downtime extremely rare.

Utter rubbish I'm afraid.

Pointing out any number of issues in ANY given week does not in any way demonstrate that it's a problem. Nor does it demonstrate they are the same cause, nor does it even demonstrate it's STEAM'S problem. That's completely illogical.

Again, you are wrongly assuming that steam have repeated downtime - they don't. As said already, if that were the case, we'd ALL be affected, and that just is not the case.

So it has to be elsewhere along the chain.

Throwing out buzzwords doesn't prove anything either.

If you think Valve doesn't have a very robust infrastructure, then that's laughable for a claim as you CANNOT possibly know their private circumstances and operation.

It's not utter rubbish. Read the discussion boards following the 4-hour outage on Tuesday, which affected 12 million Steam users (primarily in North America). It started during their usual "10-minute" maintenance window and took about 4 hours for Valve to fix. And yes, Steam servers were having widespread issues again today. You can also check Steam Status/DB info on Twitter if you don't believe us.

As for buzzwords...if you don't know what those things mean, then you can educate yourself. A lot of us are professional network/server administrators and software developers that actually know what they're talking about.

[thotter]

Hey, only down for 45 minutes today, vs 4 hours on Tuesday. Way to go, Valve! LOL

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by Otter in Timeout:

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Utter rubbish I'm afraid.

Pointing out any number of issues in ANY given week does not in any way demonstrate that it's a problem. Nor does it demonstrate they are the same cause, nor does it even demonstrate it's STEAM'S problem. That's completely illogical.

Again, you are wrongly assuming that steam have repeated downtime - they don't. As said already, if that were the case, we'd ALL be affected, and that just is not the case.

So it has to be elsewhere along the chain.

Throwing out buzzwords doesn't prove anything either.

If you think Valve doesn't have a very robust infrastructure, then that's laughable for a claim as you CANNOT possibly know their private circumstances and operation.

It's not utter rubbish. Read the discussion boards following the 4-hour outage on Tuesday, which affected 12 million Steam users (primarily in North America). It started during their usual "10-minute" maintenance window and took about 4 hours for Valve to fix. And yes, Steam servers were having widespread issues again today. You can also check Steam Status/DB info on Twitter if you don't believe us.

As for buzzwords...if you don't know what those things mean, then you can educate yourself. A lot of us are professional network/server administrators and software developers that actually know what they're talking about.

You're conflating different things. That's why it's rubbish.

I don't deny they DO have outages.

I merely pointed out your claim about constant outages is crap, and it's easily demonstrable because it would affect EVERYONE if it were steam's end.

This is basic logic.

As for buzzwords, I said nothing about whether you understand them. I simply pointed out that throwing words around absent of context and meaning demonstrates nothing.

So it still remains that your points WERE wrong still for the reasons I gave. Such level of outages at Valve's end WOULD affect everyone, and yet many of us right here on these forums have been on Steam smoothly for years. The occasional outage, like the one you refer too you CANNOT conflate into "£this always happen". That's not the same thing.

[zuppaclub]

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Originally posted by Otter in Timeout:

It's not utter rubbish. Read the discussion boards following the 4-hour outage on Tuesday, which affected 12 million Steam users (primarily in North America). It started during their usual "10-minute" maintenance window and took about 4 hours for Valve to fix. And yes, Steam servers were having widespread issues again today. You can also check Steam Status/DB info on Twitter if you don't believe us.

As for buzzwords...if you don't know what those things mean, then you can educate yourself. A lot of us are professional network/server administrators and software developers that actually know what they're talking about.

You're conflating different things. That's why it's rubbish.

I don't deny they DO have outages.

I merely pointed out your claim about constant outages is crap, and it's easily demonstrable because it would affect EVERYONE if it were steam's end.

This is basic logic.

As for buzzwords, I said nothing about whether you understand them. I simply pointed out that throwing words around absent of context and meaning demonstrates nothing.

So it still remains that your points WERE wrong still for the reasons I gave. Such level of outages at Valve's end WOULD affect everyone, and yet many of us right here on these forums have been on Steam smoothly for years. The occasional outage, like the one you refer too you CANNOT conflate into "£this always happen". That's not the same thing.

well, I hope you will also have difficulty to log on to steam later on

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by zuppaclub:

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

You're conflating different things. That's why it's rubbish.

I don't deny they DO have outages.

I merely pointed out your claim about constant outages is crap, and it's easily demonstrable because it would affect EVERYONE if it were steam's end.

This is basic logic.

As for buzzwords, I said nothing about whether you understand them. I simply pointed out that throwing words around absent of context and meaning demonstrates nothing.

So it still remains that your points WERE wrong still for the reasons I gave. Such level of outages at Valve's end WOULD affect everyone, and yet many of us right here on these forums have been on Steam smoothly for years. The occasional outage, like the one you refer too you CANNOT conflate into "£this always happen". That's not the same thing.

well, I hope you will also have difficulty to log on to steam later on :lunar2019laughingpig:

Way to miss the point.

THat's not what I claimed at all. You seem to be thinking I deny it happening. I'm NOT.

I was ONLY tackling the person's point that their claim was nonsensical - it CANNOT be Valve's end or everyone would get this.

How hard is this to understand?