Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder (已封鎖) 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 1:42
Steam Awards
As the autumn starts to draw in, in various Northern hemisphere nations, thoughts start to turn to the award season.

Traditionally (for several years now) the late Autumn sale has been for nominations and the Winter sale for voting. The only differences are when the winners are announced. Timings may be out but from my recollection year before last Lunar (Chinese) New Year sale was when the awards were announced whilst last year they were stuck on the end of the Winter sale.

My strong representation is that the awards winners deserve a separate event with full recognition and the opportunity and invitation to submit a video thanking the Steam Community for voting for them (did Rockstar's get lost in the post ?) so winners should be announced at the Lunar New Year sale.

1) For both Steam and the community this gives three bites of the cherry. Undoubtedly the Top 10 games sold in a particular year, even with the long tail, now make up a high proportion of Steam's revenue each year. Extending the awards to the Lunar New Year gives three opportunities to highlight and promote those games.
2) These awards should be treated as MAJOR events. There are a substantial number of world democracies who select their leaders with fewer votes than are cast for the Steam Awards.
3) Computer games still don't get the recognition of older art forms like films and music (although it is rising) and the awards are a chance to give public recognition to the people whom the Steam community rates the best.
4) Announcing the winners at the Lunar New Year sale gives an opportunity for winning developers to submit a "Thank you" video to the community.

Hopefully I don't need to say this but better safe than sorry. If Steam China exists by then don't make the Lunar New Year sale something that occurs on Steam China but nowhere else. The community storm if Steam China got a major sale that the rest of the world didn't would be immense. Other countries in South East Asia celebrate the Lunar New Year and China has a large expatriate community who would be excluded if this happened. Plus Lunar New Year sale is now a big thing for a lot of the rest of the community.

S.x.
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Crazy Tiger 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 4:48 
Are you implying that the Steam awards actually have meaning? Or any game awards, for that matter? I mean, there are games with god who knows how many GOTY awards cause every site gives them out like prizes in cereal boxes.

Movies, television, theater and music have actually centralised awards, which cannot be compared to the stuff in the gaming industry.
Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder (已封鎖) 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 5:35 
Steam's concurrent users regularly exceed 22 million. If it were a nation it would be 58th largest in the world. Weekly users at a very conservative guess top 100 million. That would make it the 15th largest nation on earth.

So, yes the Steam awards have meaning. This is the largest gaming community on the planet and one of the largest net communities.

People choose leaders of nations with fewer votes than are cast in the Steam Awards.

I think it means a lot to the developers and publishers who win the prizes, I think Steam Awards should appear permanently on a winner's store page.

If the importance of gaming awards was decided solely by the number of participating voters then the Steam Awards would be the most important gaming awards on the planet.

Also although the precise figures will only be known to Steam I have no doubt that award winners get substantial sales increases so there is a real world financial impact.

So, not only do the Steam Awards have meaning, they now have significant importance to the gaming industry and even greater importance for Steam itself.

S.x.
Crazy Tiger 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 6:04 
The nation voting stuff is irrelevant.

So, not only do the Steam Awards have meaning, they now have significant importance to the gaming industry and even greater importance for Steam itself.
Citation and actual proof needed of this so called "importance", especially on the gaming industry. Why would Steam awards have any bearing on console or mobile games?
Tolkien Book Fan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 6:26 
LOL. Many, perhaps most of us, nominate and then vote for games we know nothing about because Steam rewards us for doing so. Anyone who has voted that way treats the Awards with contempt because we know how meaningless they are.
Start_Running 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 6:44 
引用自 Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder
As the autumn starts to draw in, in various Northern hemisphere nations, thoughts start to turn to the award season.

Traditionally (for several years now) the late Autumn sale has been for nominations and the Winter sale for voting. The only differences are when the winners are announced. Timings may be out but from my recollection year before last Lunar (Chinese) New Year sale was when the awards were announced whilst last year they were stuck on the end of the Winter sale.
Which 'last year'?
Maybe use the actual year. Less confusing.

My strong representation is that the awards winners deserve a separate event with full recognition and the opportunity and invitation to submit a video thanking the Steam Community for voting for them (did Rockstar's get lost in the post ?) so winners should be announced at the Lunar New Year sale.
You know developers/pubs can already do that right?


1) For both Steam and the community this gives three bites of the cherry. Undoubtedly the Top 10 games sold in a particular year, even with the long tail, now make up a high proportion of Steam's revenue each year. Extending the awards to the Lunar New Year gives three opportunities to highlight and promote those games.
Do those games really need promotion though. if they're already top sellers well clearly people already know about them and the games are not lacking in awareness. Same for games that actually manage to win the awards.. Never mind that the whoe nomination and voting process can beed deemed a form of promiotion onto themselves.

2) These awards should be treated as MAJOR events. There are a substantial number of world democracies who select their leaders with fewer votes than are cast for the Steam Awards.
Why? It's basically the equivalent of asking people 'whats your favourite elvis song?'

3) Computer games still don't get the recognition of older art forms like films and music (although it is rising) and the awards are a chance to give public recognition to the people whom the Steam community rates the best.
The immaturity of the communities surrounding them and quite frankly the rapid pace at which the medium changes and advances is to blame for that.


4) Announcing the winners at the Lunar New Year sale gives an opportunity for winning developers to submit a "Thank you" video to the community.
They can already do that. You also already mentioned that. Padding is a bad sign,

Hopefully I don't need to say this but better safe than sorry. If Steam China exists by then don't make the Lunar New Year sale something that occurs on Steam China but nowhere else.
Why would they do that? YUou do realize that Steam already has the ability to have regional sales events right? Just like how games can have regional prices. Its just not widlely used because

a) Why limit it?
b) People from various cultures aren't geographically confined.
c) In the case of Lunar new year. Its not just a china thing.

The community storm if Steam China got a major sale that the rest of the world didn't would be immense.
And that's why games don;'t get the respect that other arts do. The community is still too immature and entitled.

Other countries in South East Asia celebrate the Lunar New Year and China has a large expatriate community who would be excluded if this happened. Plus Lunar New Year sale is now a big thing for a lot of the rest of the community.

S.x.
Lots of countries celebrate the lunar new year. The date and timing is centred around china because of those red envelopes.


So as usual, nothing really of merit here, beyond armchair businesing, but without actually understanding the business environment.
Arthur 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 7:05 
wat
J4MESOX4D 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 7:06 
You always overthink everything Gallifrey. The Steam Awards is just a community event with quirky categories in which people mostly vote just to get a badge. If Valve don't take it seriously then nor should the players or developers. People often just vote for anything and it's not like there is a secure process with a lavish award ceremony to boot. It's not an election either and even with the huge amount of active Steam users, I bet a large portion don't even bother participating.
Start_Running 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 7:34 
引用自 J4MESOX4D
You always overthink everything Gallifrey. The Steam Awards is just a community event with quirky categories in which people mostly vote just to get a badge.
It used to be but they went 'bland' last year .

cinedine 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 12:14 
Steam Awards 2019 were boring as ♥♥♥♥ regarding the choices. IIRC in some categories only games released this year were eligilbe and most people dont play the newest games, so it was a pure hype contest.

The most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ categorie was "better with friends". EVERTHING is better with friends. The winner DayZ still sucks as a game. And DOTA Underlords or AoE 2? How are these any better with friends just because you play against each other?

"Labor of Love" is the most cynical winner this voting. Nothing about GTA V is love. It's a formula-ic game and the multiplayer is purely made for milking customers. Even Zelneck said so much. And that's the second year in a row. Not that Rainbow Six: Siege, CS:GO or DOTA 2 were any better. Warframe I can understand.

One of the nominees for Story Rich was Gears of War 5. For Outstanding Visual Style one was Total War: newest iteration. Like, dafuq?

Nominations are based on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ concepts. Voting itself people just do for the badge based on which of the options isn't the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up or the only one they know. Oh and let's not forget that voting was a way to receive cards, so you have all the 100 millions bot accounts voting. I wonder if that has something to do with the winners being either the first or last entries in all but two categories, one of which had GTA V in it.

Also what's up with the tangent about Lunar Sale being China exclusive. Lunar Year is not China exclusive and there is a big audience in SEA in general. It's once against a post based completely on your assumptions based on nothing but your own missing understanding of things.
Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder (已封鎖) 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 1:08 
Cinedine,

Better with friends ? Well probably they're not much help in single player. They could have called it Best Multiplayer but they didn't.

"Most people don't play the newest games". I'll actually give you that one. Last year was kinda light on blockbuster hits.

Day Z is still well within the Steam Top 50 of played games so the community disagrees with you. Again.

GTA V. Currently at number 12 Steam's Top Games but it was Top 10 for part of today. So community disagrees. Again.

Total War: Warhammer 2. Another game in the Top 50. Personally I was "meh" on the graphics too but the PC Gamer (pro) review raved about them.

As far as I was concerned Euro Trucker Simulator 2 came right out of the blue when it won two awards.

Re Lunar New Year sale - read post first, then froth.

If people had to show a working knowledge of what they were voting for Donald Trump would not be the President of the USA.

If the categories were broader - Best RPG, Best Driving game, Best FPS - more people would have direct knowledge of what they were voting for.

Also I still prefer "Most Wanted" rather than "Best" for GOTY.

The awards appear to being taken increasingly seriously by Valve who've largely replaced the "super quirky" awards of the first couple of years.

They are leading two or three or their biggest sales of the year with the awards. I'd take them seriously.

S.x.





J4MESOX4D 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 1:20 
As far as I was concerned Euro Trucker Simulator 2 came right out of the blue when it won two awards
Despite it having over 200,000 positive reviews and 10m sales?

Also I still prefer "Most Wanted" rather than "Best" for GOTY..
Awards for games that aren't even out is silly. Evolve and No Mans Sky demonstrated that.

They are leading two or three or their biggest sales of the year with the awards. I'd take them seriously
My local electronics store has a few major sales each year but they don't do an award ceremony for best toaster and most cutting-edge microwave oven.

The Steam awards should not be taken seriously and they aren't designed to be.
cinedine 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:06 
Day Z is still well within the Steam Top 50 of played games so the community disagrees with you. Again.

GTA V. Currently at number 12 Steam's Top Games but it was Top 10 for part of today. So community disagrees. Again.

Total War: Warhammer 2. Another game in the Top 50. Personally I was "meh" on the graphics too but the PC Gamer (pro) review raved about them.

As far as I was concerned Euro Trucker Simulator 2 came right out of the blue when it won two awards.

Re Lunar New Year sale - read post first, then froth.


It doesn't matter how many people play the games.
DayZ is not a good game. I can have just as much fun with my friends in a chat room. Having a friend with you makes the game tolerable. Same for AoE 2 and DOTA Underlords. The game doesn't get better. You just add the interaction outside of the game's scope with the friend.

GTA V is no product of love. It's the polar opposite. It was created with wide disregard to the developers health and family life. The only things that were added over time were more grindy microtransaction enabled online gimmicks, including a pay-to-grief tool. Made by a company with blatant disregard for their customers. Labor of Love for Money, maybe. But not love for the game or its community. And that's not opinion but fact. Read up upon what Zelnick had to say regarding microtransactions.

Actually it is TW: three Kingdoms. "Realistic" is not an outstanding visual style. Sorry. It's what everybody does.

That just proves that the awards are popularity contests. And changing categories will not change this.
You also completely ignore the main point: people vote for the cards alone. Americans voteds for Trump because either they always vote Republican or they believed in his messages. That's completely different to voting for him for no reason just to get the sticker.

If you want serious awards, there are The Game Awards which are in-between nomination and voting and each year confuse the ♥♥♥♥ out of people mixing them up with the Steam awards.
Or take the BAFTAs. Or Game Developers Choice Awards. Or Deutscher Computerspielepreis. Or whatever expo's or magazine/site's award.
There is a plethora out of them. The Steam awards a joke among them.

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And you being surprised by ETS 2 winning awards just shows again that you have no idea what's happening outside of the cave you seem to live in.
最後修改者:cinedine; 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:10
Tito Shivan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:41 
引用自 cinedine
Steam Awards 2019 were boring as ♥♥♥♥ regarding the choices. IIRC in some categories only games released this year were eligilbe and most people dont play the newest games, so it was a pure hype contest.
IMO Best Steam awards were the first one with the overtly weird categories. The event was self-consious of what it really was and played on top of it.

From that moment on it's just a facade of every other boring hundreds of awards out there, prone to the same boring results and fallbacks. They're not serious enough to be a serious award yet they don't allow itself to become quirky enough as to stand on its own.

引用自 cinedine
GTA V is no product of love. It's the polar opposite.
The problem of popularity contests.
At the end of the day you can't avoid people behaving as people. And they're going to vote their favourite just to see it win, regardless of the categories.

Steam can avoid that up to an extent (by restricting which games apply to which category, for example through tags) But at the end of the day it's going to be a people-voted popularity contest. Hence why GTAV got the award or why PUBG did the former year. People want their horse to WIN.

That's why the 'Go balls deep silly' was the right approach to begin with. Popularity stops being the focus as it's stolen by memes. When instead of voting for "GAME OF THE YEAR" people vote for "Most hilarious glitches of the year" the scope on how people vote changes. It's no longer as much about winning as it is about having a laugh. (And since most internet-based votes are REALLY prone to trolling, you play that to your advantage and bring the trolling into your territory instead of fighting against it)

It's why for years Despite being a big cinema fan I preferred the MTV Movie Awards over the Oscars. When you're awarding 'Best Shirtless scene', 'Best Sandwich in a movie' or 'Best Movie spoof'... You know you're in for something different (and fun).
And I can say the same for Razzies. Way better show than the Oscars. Which becomes even better when the actors themselves get into the joke. Cue Hale Berry accpeting her Razzie for Catwoman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-7s_yeQuDg
最後修改者:Tito Shivan; 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:43
cinedine 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 3:46 
引用自 Tito Shivan
It's why for years Despite being a big cinema fan I preferred the MTV Movie Awards over the Oscars. When you're awarding 'Best Shirtless scene', 'Best Sandwich in a movie' or 'Best Movie spoof'... You know you're in for something different (and fun).
And I can say the same for Razzies. Way better show than the Oscars. Which becomes even better when the actors themselves get into the joke. Cue Hale Berry accpeting her Razzie for Catwoman

I agree. 2016/17 were the best. It was more like the Ig Noble Prize. Serious, but funny. "Best Use of a Farm Animal", "Villain Most in Need of a Hug", "Suspension of Disbelief", "Cry Havoc ...". It was more about rewarding creativity and off-shoots than just another "Best Title You Have Heard of But Will Never Play" (which in itself would be a good category).
IMO that's the only way you can go with a public voted award. Crowds simply don't have comparable standards or enough nowledge of every nominee to be meaningful.
Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder (已封鎖) 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 3:57 
Best RPG - I got a view
Best FPS - I got a view
Best Driving Game - I got a view
Most Wanted Game of 2020 - give me the releases list and I'll pick one.

The award Winners were nominated by Steam users and they were voted for by Steam users. They/we made their/ our choices. If there are flaws in that then there are flaws in democracies too.

The problem with awards chosen by "elites" is you tend to get the same ... people nominating people like them. Anything leftfield gets excluded. C.V. Oscars and Brits.

I'm not saying the Steam Awards are perfect. But they are the biggest computer games awards on the planet and I say for that they're worth respect.

S.x.
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