Should I be reporting Cheating website advertisements?

[MrFoxHoundSir]

watching YT and one of the ads is for a CS:GO cheating website. Is steam on this already or is there something i can submit to let them know about it?

[Brimzel]

If this information is still up-to-date, here's what you can do:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869&l=#report

[Oh Hayoung]

mak kau hijau

[-FS17-]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cosmic Vixen:

If this information is still up-to-date, here's what you can do:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869&l=#report

Seriously? There is a cheating pandemic right through all steam powered games, They do nothing! They tell you to report it to the developer who wants nothing to do with it and tell you to report it to steam as they with valve run the VAC system . Valve and infinity ward will just ignore you! Imo yes you should report the issue but its pointless! if you complain in the main discussion forum your discussion will be locked by a moderator( I have had several locked out) they obviously dont like ppl complaining about hackers and cheaters and that they are manipulating their servers showing steams security is ♥♥♥♥! but they will take your money though! The only way forward is to stop buying certain developers games and stop using steam

[Sasori Kigaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BULLITT:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cosmic Vixen:

If this information is still up-to-date, here's what you can do:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869&l=#report

Seriously? There is a cheating pandemic right through all steam powered games, They do nothing! They tell you to report it to the developer who wants nothing to do with it and tell you to report it to steam as they with valve run the VAC system . Valve and infinity ward will just ignore you! Imo yes you should report the issue but its pointless! if you complain in the main discussion forum your discussion will be locked by a moderator( I have had several locked out) they obviously dont like ppl complaining about hackers and cheaters and that they are manipulating their servers showing steams security is ♥♥♥♥! but they will take your money though! The only way forward is to stop buying certain developers games and stop using steam

They lock those threads because more often than not it leads to MORE traffic towards the cheat developer whether its on youtube or elsewhere. You aren't supposed to name and shame either. Reporting of any kind, has to be done through proper channels. Steam forums, are not proper channels.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

There's a way to create a support ticket about an unspecified topic, but you kinda have to dig around the Steam Support site for that.

Still, though, it'll be difficult for Steam to do something about a third-party site.

I think you might be able to report info to YouTube too, if you have a Google account.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

An option would be for Valve, Microsoft, EA, and others to jointly fund a small team with the exclusive function of tracing down and shutting down (including prosecution) the people developing and selling the cheats. You'd need a lawyer, several decent coders and investigators.

S.x.

[Black Blade]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

An option would be for Valve, Microsoft, EA, and others to jointly fund a small team with the exclusive function of tracing down and shutting down (including prosecution) the people developing and selling the cheats. You'd need a lawyer, several decent coders and investigators.

S.x.

I think that be pointless
As many groups found trying to fight "hackers", "hijackers", "scammers" and the like just like that, in the end, it's useless
Most likely it will make the cheats more expensive as making them becomes more dangerous but in the end, it's pointless to hunt them one by one
The best way to fight it is to make the cheating stop working after someone buy it, as that may get that user to not trust the cheat system and therefor to stick away from it
Or get the user to understand, in the end as long as there is a market for it, it will happen, if the user base for cheat dies out, you simply will have no market, and in the end, I think that is the cheaper way to go

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Black Blade:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

An option would be for Valve, Microsoft, EA, and others to jointly fund a small team with the exclusive function of tracing down and shutting down (including prosecution) the people developing and selling the cheats. You'd need a lawyer, several decent coders and investigators.

S.x.

I think that be pointless
As many groups found trying to fight "hackers", "hijackers", "scammers" and the like just like that, in the end, it's useless
Most likely it will make the cheats more expensive as making them becomes more dangerous but in the end, it's pointless to hunt them one by one
The best way to fight it is to make the cheating stop working after someone buy it, as that may get that user to not trust the cheat system and therefor to stick away from it
Or get the user to understand, in the end as long as there is a market for it, it will happen, if the user base for cheat dies out, you simply will have no market, and in the end, I think that is the cheaper way to go

Deterrents for users work for games that are expensive to buy because losing the right to play them is a major deterrent. For free to play however it's a matter of seconds to set up a new profile and start cheating all over again. If there's any form of lag on bans a cheat can clean the cheated skins through two handler accounts into his sale account. it's rare that Steam will check beyond 1st recipient to see where these skins end up. And could they ? Proving that the third or fourth account along was "in on it" could be tricky.

Fraudsters target Steam accounts because although the rewards are relatively small the chances of being caught and punished were relatively small.

There's a certain notorious cheat site that was so blatant it used to send players to spam adverts for it actually into TF 2. If I'd been running Steam I'd have had the person responsible prosecuted, sued into bankruptcy, the site domain transferred to Valve as part of the bankruptcy and then just left with a description of what happened to the previous owner and a link to the Steam home page.

S.x.

[Black Blade]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

Deterrents for users work for games that are expensive to buy because losing the right to play them is a major deterrent. For free to play however it's a matter of seconds to set up a new profile and start cheating all over again. If there's any form of lag on bans a cheat can clean the cheated skins through two handler accounts into his sale account. it's rare that Steam will check beyond 1st recipient to see where these skins end up. And could they ? Proving that the third or fourth account along was "in on it" could be tricky.

Fraudsters target Steam accounts because although the rewards are relatively small the chances of being caught and punished were relatively small.

There's a certain notorious cheat site that was so blatant it used to send players to spam adverts for it actually into TF 2. If I'd been running Steam I'd have had the person responsible prosecuted, sued into bankruptcy, the site domain transferred to Valve as part of the bankruptcy and then just left with a description of what happened to the previous owner and a link to the Steam home page.

S.x.

Easy to say, hard to do
Look at what happens in anything like movies and the like
They try to stop them, but they just keep opening a new one and keep going

Thing is making a new cheat site, takes moments
Detecting the country where it happens, finding all legal matter to sue them, getting to court international to do it takes time and money, and so on and so on
In the end, you pay let's say 10000$ to close one site, and then 50 more come up to take its place as you created a void of one successful cheater and there many to take its place

Remember the one making the cheats can be anywhere in the world, it may even not be illegal there to do cheats, or the like, its going to cost you more time and money then what it will cost them to avoid you, or create one more
Its a battle you cant win, you can do it, but the chance of passing it.... not that high

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Black Blade:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

Deterrents for users work for games that are expensive to buy because losing the right to play them is a major deterrent. For free to play however it's a matter of seconds to set up a new profile and start cheating all over again. If there's any form of lag on bans a cheat can clean the cheated skins through two handler accounts into his sale account. it's rare that Steam will check beyond 1st recipient to see where these skins end up. And could they ? Proving that the third or fourth account along was "in on it" could be tricky.

Fraudsters target Steam accounts because although the rewards are relatively small the chances of being caught and punished were relatively small.

There's a certain notorious cheat site that was so blatant it used to send players to spam adverts for it actually into TF 2. If I'd been running Steam I'd have had the person responsible prosecuted, sued into bankruptcy, the site domain transferred to Valve as part of the bankruptcy and then just left with a description of what happened to the previous owner and a link to the Steam home page.

S.x.

Easy to say, hard to do
Look at what happens in anything like movies and the like
They try to stop them, but they just keep opening a new one and keep going

Thing is making a new cheat site, takes moments
Detecting the country where it happens, finding all legal matter to sue them, getting to court international to do it takes time and money, and so on and so on
In the end, you pay let's say 10000$ to close one site, and then 50 more come up to take its place as you created a void of one successful cheater and there many to take its place

Remember the one making the cheats can be anywhere in the world, it may even not be illegal there to do cheats, or the like, its going to cost you more time and money then what it will cost them to avoid you, or create one more
Its a battle you cant win, you can do it, but the chance of passing it.... not that high

I think it was in relation to hacking probably a CoD on first day of launch stopping all play for anyone but him got a British hacker sent to prison.

Many courts don't understand tech, they understand computer games even less, but they understand business and disruption to business.

The techniques to defeating these people are varied. Based in the back of Bourke where no Western laws can reach them ? Get Google to block their site. They will rarely have the capability to successfully appeal.

USA or UK based - identify them, hand over your evidence to the police, and push for a prosecution. Then if they have assets sue them.

The aim of the exercise isn't to eradicate it - you never will. But if the gaming industry specifically targeted these people they might be deterred from future attacks.

Learn the lessons from the the USA's failed war on drugs. To be successful every link in the chain must be targeted.

S.x.

[Black Blade]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

I think it was in relation to hacking probably a CoD on first day of launch stopping all play for anyone but him got a British hacker sent to prison.

Many courts don't understand tech, they understand computer games even less, but they understand business and disruption to business.

The techniques to defeating these people are varied. Based in the back of Bourke where no Western laws can reach them ? Get Google to block their site. They will rarely have the capability to successfully appeal.

USA or UK based - identify them, hand over your evidence to the police, and push for a prosecution. Then if they have assets sue them.

The aim of the exercise isn't to eradicate it - you never will. But if the gaming industry specifically targeted these people they might be deterred from future attacks.

Learn the lessons from the the USA's failed war on drugs. To be successful every link in the chain must be targeted.

S.x.

I said before, movies, and we can add phishing to that closing sites does not help much when they can open 10 more in minutes after you close it
You report to Google, google look into it, and ban it, they open a new one repeat

To close this you have to aim the head, or the root, the head will be hidden and will be everywhere, you cut one 2 takes its place
The root (that is users wanting to cheat) is easier to access and easier to take care of I think

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Black Blade:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

I think it was in relation to hacking probably a CoD on first day of launch stopping all play for anyone but him got a British hacker sent to prison.

Many courts don't understand tech, they understand computer games even less, but they understand business and disruption to business.

The techniques to defeating these people are varied. Based in the back of Bourke where no Western laws can reach them ? Get Google to block their site. They will rarely have the capability to successfully appeal.

USA or UK based - identify them, hand over your evidence to the police, and push for a prosecution. Then if they have assets sue them.

The aim of the exercise isn't to eradicate it - you never will. But if the gaming industry specifically targeted these people they might be deterred from future attacks.

Learn the lessons from the the USA's failed war on drugs. To be successful every link in the chain must be targeted.

S.x.

I said before, movies, and we can add phishing to that closing sites does not help much when they can open 10 more in minutes after you close it
You report to Google, google look into it, and ban it, they open a new one repeat

To close this you have to aim the head, or the root, the head will be hidden and will be everywhere, you cut one 2 takes its place
The root (that is users wanting to cheat) is easier to access and easier to take care of I think

i think you are downplaying the importance of location for businesses. Steam would be worth virtually nothing if it had to change its name and its homepage every week.

It's demoralising for customers that these people don't just ruin their games, they make substantial profits doing so.

Pirates made a profitable career for hundreds of years - until the major powers developed ships to hunt them down.

These people are currently effectively immune because the industry doesn't specifically target them.

S.x.

[Black Blade]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder:

i think you are downplaying the importance of location for businesses. Steam would be worth virtually nothing if it had to change its name and its homepage every week.

It's demoralising for customers that these people don't just ruin their games, they make substantial profits doing so.

Pirates made a profitable career for hundreds of years - until the major powers developed ships to hunt them down.

These people are currently effectively immune because the industry doesn't specifically target them.

S.x.

First, they're not an immune second of all, users accept site change and stuff like that when you talking about this type of business, same as someone that does illegal business is not likely to compline the supplier meets them in an allay and not a nice office

I don't say they cant do it, and sure it may help, but the gain over cost I think is rarely worth it, you waste more time and more effort then what they will, in a big way
BTW pirates still roam the sea in some areas, where laws don't apply as much as everywhere
Same with the net, and that makes it easier for them to travel from there lands to any other place

If the world law will have hunt them, it may have been taken down, but that don't seem to be here

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

It depends on the level of prosecution that you want. The FBI probably spent more time following the money trail than gathering the actual evidence in the case.

S.x.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez davidb11:

I suggest you look up how the FBI works, and what happened with Megaupload.
Otherwise you look very silly and not like a comedian silly either. :P

Seriously, the FBI spends a lot of time doing actual case work. What makes you think it doesn't?

The money trail for Megaupload? That doesn't evne make sense.
It was a file sharing host.

Be wary who you patronise.

The "money trail" is the route by which the proceeds of acquisitive crime are distributed.

And believe me, I KNOW, that this can take longer than proving the crime.

S.x.