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Grantorino Sep 30, 2018 @ 5:14am
Will consoles always have more players than pc?
I'm just thinking about this now. Consoles are more cheaper and easier to handle so I can see consoles having more players but pc gamers tend to stay with their games longer. I game on both and one thing I hate about consoles is the autoaim. I'm just thinking aboutt his topic now because I decided to get battlefron2 on ps4.
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Donald J Trump Sep 30, 2018 @ 5:17am 
Consoles are cheaper, easier to use and superior to PCs. Sure there are a few decent pc games, but for the most part modern games are solely designed for consoles while PCs are lucky to get a decent port.

Last edited by Donald J Trump; Sep 30, 2018 @ 5:18am
Start_Running Sep 30, 2018 @ 5:42am 
^This. Since PC gamers don't have to abandon entire game libraries ever5 years or so there's no real loss or increase in complecation over time. Lets follow the Play station. Ps2 was backwards compatible with PS1 so that's a freebie. Then when Ps3 came out if you wanted to still play your PS2 games you had to hook that up sperately to the the TV so now you have two cnsoles required to play your game library. Then PS4 came out, whoops, gotta have 3 consoles hooked up now...

PC users have to upgrade or buiy new machines yes but they don't need to do it as frequently and when they do they generally don't lose any of their library.
cinedine Sep 30, 2018 @ 6:28am 
Originally posted by Grogwind:
PC gamers win hands down.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/748093/number-console-gamers-world-platform/

638 Million

VS


https://www.statista.com/statistics/748072/number-pc-gamers-world-platform/

1.6 Billion

Pointless statistics is pointless.

What is a "PC player" in them? Someone who plays solitaire or minesweeper? Someone who plays browser games? Somone who plays casual games on PC but core games on console?
Start_Running Sep 30, 2018 @ 7:22am 
Originally posted by cinedine:
Originally posted by Grogwind:
PC gamers win hands down.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/748093/number-console-gamers-world-platform/

638 Million

VS


https://www.statista.com/statistics/748072/number-pc-gamers-world-platform/

1.6 Billion

Pointless statistics is pointless.

What is a "PC player" in them? Someone who plays solitaire or minesweeper? Someone who plays browser games? Somone who plays casual games on PC but core games on console?
Solitaire and Minesweeper are games so yeah they'd qualify and the whole idea of casual versus core is rather meaningless. The simple truthe is there's no real divide between console and PC. being one doesn't prevent you from enjoying the other. I mean it's like saying Xbox players versus switch players. What about those who own both?

I'll never understand how the console war mentality still manages to remain so ingrained in gaming culture.
Kargor Sep 30, 2018 @ 7:29am 
Yeah, I don't currently see PCs replacing consoles. I don't even have a console myself, but I can certainly see the advantages they offer, and how they are vastly superior for people who just want something to play but not deal with nerd stuff.

Steam boxes could have been a way to make PCs more significant in gaming, but Valve didn't want to or didn't have the budget to actually pull it off. I'm pretty sure no store put a "Steam box" next to their XBox, Nintendo and Playstation displays.
null Sep 30, 2018 @ 7:36am 
Originally posted by Reeeeee:
Consoles are cheaper, easier to use and superior to PCs. Sure there are a few decent pc games, but for the most part modern games are solely designed for consoles while PCs are lucky to get a decent port.
most console games are made solely to look good and sell a lot of copies and in-game items, gameplay is only an afterthought these days when it comes to triple a games. pc absolutely dominates the indie market where gameplay comes first. btw, if you don't know how to operate a pc in 2018 chances are that you're 80 years old or mentally handicapped, in those cases a console might actually be superior.
pasa Sep 30, 2018 @ 7:42am 
Originally posted by Eisberg:
The consoles are lucky to get a decent game that is actually innovative and or creative, PCs dominate that market.

The console audience was always about button-smashing. While PC had a mix of genres including casual, light strategy and real thinking-related stuff.

Unfortunately for some time devs look for cross-breeding and be PC suffers from ports of mobile and console things.
Mimi Sep 30, 2018 @ 8:03am 
Consoles will probably have more consumers because they’re advertised more often and it’s ‘cheaper’ in the moment they decide to buy it. I think there are more people that own a console compared to owning a PC but I don’t think there are necessarily consistent players because of online subscriptions, limited games, the realisation it’s very expensive in the long term or the need to buy the next console for certain exclusives that probably won’t be played for years and years once completed.
76561197961796205 Sep 30, 2018 @ 8:09am 
maybe they have a lot more players in some games but we have one thing that they don't and it large choice of games to play
Mikasa Ackerman Sep 30, 2018 @ 8:29am 
the reason is simple , imagine you are a naruto fan and you play on consoles , your only options on the current gen are ultimate ninja storm 4 , or the new shinobi strikers , thats it

on pc i think all 4 numbered games . as well as revolution and strikers have an online mode ( not sure about the first ) so if theres 10.000 people who like playing naruto on each platform , on console there would be 5.000 in each of the two games on current gen , on pc there would be only 1.666.6 per game if all games have an equal amount of players , and thats just players for one franchise

same goes for call of duty , pc has almost all entries , and even though black ops 2 is already 6 years old , it still has a 1-2 thousand player peak , average numbers only started going below 1k in april 2018 ,

mw2 even has a similar peak despite being 3 years older


however , what this means , is that people arent forced to get black ops 3 or 4 since the old one isnt playable anymore , on consoles you have no option other than playing blops 3 and soon 4

and lastly , for single player gamets the reason is simple aswell , on current consoles you can only play final fantasy xv , type 0 and for ps4 x and x-2 , of course more people will play xv , especially since last gen only had the 13 trilogy which not everyone enjoyed

on pc , you can play every ff except 1 and 2 , so the number of people who play each game is alot lower


consoles also arent cheaper , i remember how expensive every game was on 360 , even though i bought it rather late , rarely was a game below 20-30€ , on pc , most games can be bought for less than 10€ on sales , even new games get dirt cheap soon ( just cause 3 is not even 3 years old and square throws the gold edition after players for less than 10€ (the reason is simple ,the game isnt really wanted anymore and by making prices so low square knows many will buy it )

next , own a console for 5 years and you pay 300€ for playing online , on top of the 400-500€ a new console costs , already at 700-800€ , not counting the possibillity of a console dying and having to be replaced

if you want to play old games again , you need to buy a remaster , like return to arkham or the ezio collection

consoles might appear cheap at first , but overall , they are very expensive

my pc maybe was around 2000 € more or less but the number of games i actually bought for full 60€ is super slim , most games are so cheap during sales its not even funny , we are talking 4.99€ or below , you wont even find used games for this low , if you buy 100 games for 5-20€ on sale compared to buying them for a console price of 30-60€ (which already is only 1/2 of the launch price and it will take a long time for them to get this cheap ) you pay 500-2000€ , meanwhile on consoles you pay 3000-6000€ , on launch games also are rare , you get a few to chose but overal , its very bare bone for 1-3 years

no backwards compatibility isnt helping either




Originally posted by Reeeeee:
Consoles are cheaper, easier to use and superior to PCs. Sure there are a few decent pc games, but for the most part modern games are solely designed for consoles while PCs are lucky to get a decent port.

i couldnt find a list ,but i doubt ps4 has more than 200 exclusives that arent on pc , all other games that launched on ps4 are on pc aswell , so if you say pc only has a few decent games , you basically just said consoles havent had a decent game in 3 gens , since pc has games from ps2-ps4

well done , you just said it yourself , consoles are garbage
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tmwfte Sep 30, 2018 @ 8:44am 
Phones.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 Sep 30, 2018 @ 9:03am 
Cost, and Hardware limits
1. Yes console use lower end hardware / few generations back, but also has ways to lower the manufacturing cost from deals they make with the supplier, and the material used, as well how much is used.

On the PC side we just buy parts from a number of manufacturers, of course they're all competing agasint each other to lower the prices but not close enough to console market prices unless we cut out the dedicated GPU, and not going for a Mid/High end CPU, but if we're not matching the console prices we have access to hardware that is staggering more powerful than any console has on the market, hardware that can do 4k, and even higher, while on console you have to pay little more than the stander console to even have ability to access 4k, but not true 4k unlike the Xbox One X, but even that has limits as well when taking on 4k.

Community / User base
2. While it's true that userbase always been high for the console side, the PC Steam community has been growing over the years, as well Steam with services, games, and much more.

Longevity and Gaming
3. For consoles they can last depending how well you take good care of them, but consoles are replace every 3 - 8 years just to get the next console generation to play newer games, but at the same time, you lose access to your old games, if you trade/sold off your older console, just to get the new console, not only that, unlike X1 which all you have to do is hope they add the game to the compatibility list for the X360 titles, but on all others, you just lose access, even if they port the game to the newer gen console, you have to buy it again even if you bought it digitally.

For PC you lose nothing, there's nothing to lose at all, compare to console, PC can last as long as long as you wanted depending how well you take care of it, there's no need to replace hardware as much, unless you felt you wanted to, or needed to, you can be use older hardware to play all the latest, and newest games, or even getting the newest hardware, and still be able to play the older games, as long they meet, or greater than the system minimum specs you would be able to play the game. While on PC you have access to all the games you bought over the many years. Even if something were to happen to the PC, and have to replace it, you still have access to all your games regardless.

How I see it IMO:
Console - Looking forward, meaning leaving old games behind, but aim towards newer games.
PC - Preserving the whole gaming history.

Who you can buy from, and Restrictions
4. While on console, you can buy from almost anyone for physical copies of the game, but if there's a limited amount of it, that could drive the cost of it, for digital copies, your limited only getting it from the main supplier, and you will only get a discount on the games you wish to get when they felt like it, who do they have to compete on their own platform for digital sale? That's kind of the problem. Also when they do have a sale, the discount range from 10% to 75% off, but most of the time it's 10% to 25% off.

While on PC you can buy your game from a whole range of online retailers digital copies, or even physical copies for those old games, and they're all competing with each other, could cost games to lower prices, and when sales happen, it usually that almost all the games would be discounted for most of the online retailers, such as Steam, GoG, or etc having upto 99% of their games getting a discount upto 90% off, most common would be 50%, or 75% off, which why it's so appealing compare to the console, such as getting a big title game for $30 on Console that with their discount apply to it, compare to PC side getting it low as $20, or less, which again why it's so appealing compare to the console.

Game Optimization and Limits
5. On console it's expected by most users, that the devs/pubs optimize their games properly, so they can have the best experience they can possibly get while trying to keep the target FPS such as 30, or 60. But to do so, they may have to cut something out, or having to turn down the texture quality, lighting, and etc...

On PC, no one expects any of the games to be perfect, or good for optimization, they only hope that when they start the game for the 1st time, they see that the devs/pubs done some optimization to the game at the very least, instead of half-assing it, but users do expect to have some controls, and options to make changes to the game to meet their needs, or the devs/pubs wish to show, but can't on console due to the limited hardware horsepower, and having to keep it optimize at the target FPS, while on PC the target FPS isn't always think of, but more like what the users wants, maybe wants higher graphic settings, higher FPS, or etc.. With PC if you have the horsepower to push, then you can have it all. Now if the devs/pubs makes a game that doesn't have optimization you either get bad performance, glitches, or not able to fully use your hardware. But there's a far lot more good games that are somewhat optimize, or been optimize well, than there is games that has no optimization, and everyone knows if you make a bad game, no one wants to buy, so it's been a trend to always make sure to at least do some optimization, and recheck their work.
Last edited by Dr.Shadowds 🐉; Sep 30, 2018 @ 11:38am
Florida Man Sep 30, 2018 @ 9:28am 
Originally posted by Reeeeee:
Consoles are cheaper, easier to use and superior to PCs.
*insert picture of George Costanza with bat and condescending look on his face*
sage2001 Sep 30, 2018 @ 9:54am 
Xbox Live users: ~50 Million
PSN users: ~80 Million

Steam users: ~125 Million

What was the question?
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