Why does Steam still not have an option to turn the profanity filter off?

[Taco Bell® Crunchwrap Supreme®]

I mean, literal porn games are okay but swearing isn't?

[Grogwind]

Because the “porn” games are behind an age gate. The main forums are not.

[Matt]

The filter covers phishing or otherwise malicious sites/content, so that's not really something that you'd want to give people the option to see. It's not so much a profanity filter and more a text filter.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Because they're comfortable treating their users like children as long as the money keeps rolling in.

[Theblaze]

Because people can't behave themself, thinking they can do everything they want when they paid for it.

[magelord01]

I just hope that this filter is NOT the beginning of a slippery slope toward a time when the text censorship system will function just like the Speedchat Plus censorship system in "Disney's Toontown Online"! Speedchat Plus's word censorship system worked like this: it had a very limited vocabulary of allowed words; any words typed in that were not in this vocabulary would be censored out by animal-sound words like "Quackity", "Eep", "Neigh", or "Meow". If the Steam Forums' word censorship system ever becomes as strict as Speedchat Plus, then the following things would be censored out:

ALL numbers and words for numbers (1,2,3, one, two, three, etc.)
ALL curse words (of course)
ALL words and/or phrases that could POSSIBLY be used as racial slurs or parts of racial slurs. Which is why "Disney's Toontown Online's" Speedchat Plus even censored out the word "pie". It's because "pie" can be used as one half of a racial slur that's used against Native Americans.

[Tito Shivan]

Gus the Crocodile původně napsal:

Because they're comfortable treating their users like children as long as the money keeps rolling in.

The minimum age to join Steam is 13... So there's always kids around at any given moment.

magelord01 původně napsal:

I just hope that this filter is NOT the beginning of a slippery slope

Considering the feature has been working almost unchanged for the longest time Steam has had forums I don't think there's a slope at all.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Gus the Crocodile původně napsal:

Because they're comfortable treating their users like children as long as the money keeps rolling in.

The minimum age to join Steam is 13... So there's always kids around at any given moment.

Uh, yes, I know?

[Taco Bell® Crunchwrap Supreme®]

Grogwind původně napsal:

Because the “porn” games are behind an age gate. The main forums are not.

That's why I'm saying there should be a toggle that's on by default. And the forums for age-restricted games are behind an age gate. Or more like it gives you a warning that it's about adult content.

Matt původně napsal:

The filter covers phishing or otherwise malicious sites/content, so that's not really something that you'd want to give people the option to see. It's not so much a profanity filter and more a text filter.

I'm not saying that should go away. Having uncensored profanity wouldn't suddenly allow people to link to malicious/phishing sites.

[tmwfte]

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

I'm not saying that should go away. Having uncensored profanity wouldn't suddenly allow people to link to malicious/phishing sites.

Yeah, actually it would, that's what Matt's saying. The links and the words are the same filter, not two separate systems.

[Yasahi]

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

Matt původně napsal:

The filter covers phishing or otherwise malicious sites/content, so that's not really something that you'd want to give people the option to see. It's not so much a profanity filter and more a text filter.

I'm not saying that should go away. Having uncensored profanity wouldn't suddenly allow people to link to malicious/phishing sites.

It's a single filter. You would need to have two separate filters in order to be able to turn one off while leaving the other on.

Besides, there's no reason to allow profanity on a public forum that is accessible by everyone.

[Taco Bell® Crunchwrap Supreme®]

tmwfte původně napsal:

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

I'm not saying that should go away. Having uncensored profanity wouldn't suddenly allow people to link to malicious/phishing sites.

Yeah, actually it would, that's what Matt's saying. The links and the words are the same filter, not two separate systems.

Yasahi původně napsal:

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

I'm not saying that should go away. Having uncensored profanity wouldn't suddenly allow people to link to malicious/phishing sites.

It's a single filter. You would need to have two separate filters in order to be able to turn one off while leaving the other on.

Besides, there's no reason to allow profanity on a public forum that is accessible by everyone.

Then... just keep the phishing filter but make filtering profanity toggleable? I don't see how that's hard.

[Crazy Tiger]

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

Then... just keep the phishing filter but make filtering profanity toggleable? I don't see how that's hard.

It's easier to maintain one filter.

Keep in mind that Valve wants to discourage the use of profanity. Making it optional doesn't fit with that.

[Yasahi]

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

Then... just keep the phishing filter but make filtering profanity toggleable? I don't see how that's hard.

Why allow something that is prohibited by the rules? You'd still get reported, warned and banned. Valve won't suddenly change things and make profanity okay on the forums.

[Taco Bell® Crunchwrap Supreme®]

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

Then... just keep the phishing filter but make filtering profanity toggleable? I don't see how that's hard.

It's easier to maintain one filter.

Keep in mind that Valve wants to discourage the use of profanity. Making it optional doesn't fit with that.

It's two filters. There is almost no overlap between profanity and fishy links.
And again, why the discouraging of profanity? If they want to be "family friendly" then why do they have mature and adult only games on their platform?

Yasahi původně napsal:

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

Then... just keep the phishing filter but make filtering profanity toggleable? I don't see how that's hard.

Why allow something that is prohibited by the rules? You'd still get reported, warned and banned. Valve won't suddenly change things and make profanity okay on the forums.

Obviously if they did this it wouldn't be prohibited by the rules anymore. The rule you're looking for is "bypass any filters" which wouldn't apply in this case because you're using a word that would be filtered by people who had it on.
Edit: Okay, there is a rule for "abusive language" including swearing, but it's under "content rules," whatever that means. If chatting/forum posts are content, then shouldn't the other rules that pertain to that be under content rules instead of general?

[Spawn of Totoro]

Cuckwrap Supreme™ původně napsal:

It's two filters. There is almost no overlap between profanity and fishy links.
And again, why the discouraging of profanity? If they want to be "family friendly" then why do they have mature and adult only games on their platform?

There is overlap if they are the same filter. The only difference is how one is treated. Besides, with people able to use a space to break a link, it then becomes an issue of the words being filtered for the link and that includes the other filtered words.

Games vs forums.

Games have their own, separate rating and an age gate.

Forums are rated for basically PG13. Valve has to take measure to maintain that. If they feel that means filtering such words form every forum, then that is what they will do.

I am sure there are other forums out there where you are free to swear and you are free to join them.