turning cards into gems is so stupid. . .

[Icedfate]

the gems are used to craft booster packs.
a booster pack has 3 cards in it.

but you have to destroy 20-50 cards to get enough gems to craft 1 booster pack.

that's just stupid

[Sazzouu]

I have a few removed games on my account that have trading cards. They are pretty rare so people sometimes pay a few hundrets or even a few thousand gems for a single card...

It all is a subject of perspective

[faeЯ]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snapjak:

Not everyone can use the market or trade, or wants to. So they have an option to get cards for a game they want instead of being totally prevented from doing so.

There are games where you can't even trade/sell the cards, so what are you going to do with them? Will them into new cards?

This is a bad argument.

First he has to get a load of cars trough games, as he "cant use the market" like you said" Then he has to craft them all into a booster, that most likely gives you duplicates of already owned cards anyway. Really flawed excuse for a flawed system.

[J4MESOX4D]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย J4MESOX4D:

Nobody is forcing you do to this.

invalid argument "oh well, it's just optional"., doesn't make the system any less retarded.
that's not my point. I'm not complaining about being "forced to trade 100 cards for 3 cards" , i'm pointing out the stupiditiy of the design that if someone "wants" to craft a booster pack, they have to destroy 50-100 cards to do so and what do they get in return? 3 more cards.
the fact that they "don't have to craft the booster pack" and can "just ignore the gems system and sit on their cards or sell them for a penny a piece, while steam makes twice that from each transaction" is irrelevant. the system is still stupid

Once again, you don't have to. I created 30 booster packs in the winter sale from just turning the event backgrounds and emotes into gems. EZ.

You gotta know how to maximise the benefits of the platform before you moan about it.

[Spawn of Totoro]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

a booster pack isn't even guaranteed to give you the cards you are looking for. . .

But still a chance.

There is also the community market limit to consider. After selling 200 cards, you are require to provide tax information and not everyone is willing to do that.

[Icedfate]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BeatZ #GrandPrix2.0Please:

I have a few removed games on my account that have trading cards. They are pretty rare so people sometimes pay a few hundrets or even a few thousand gems for a single card...

It all is a subject of perspective

okay, what? hold on, you can sell your cards on the market for gems?!
if that's true, i stand corrected. because I thought I had to "destroy" the cards to get paltry amounts.

as for the other guys, you are still missing the point. I LIKE that they gave us a way to get rid of useless items. it pisses me off that the gem amounts are so tiny. the cost in gems of creating the thing you want is 100 times more than the value of the things you had to destroy to get it.
that is what is stupid about it.

[Icedfate]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย J4MESOX4D:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

invalid argument "oh well, it's just optional"., doesn't make the system any less retarded.
that's not my point. I'm not complaining about being "forced to trade 100 cards for 3 cards" , i'm pointing out the stupiditiy of the design that if someone "wants" to craft a booster pack, they have to destroy 50-100 cards to do so and what do they get in return? 3 more cards.
the fact that they "don't have to craft the booster pack" and can "just ignore the gems system and sit on their cards or sell them for a penny a piece, while steam makes twice that from each transaction" is irrelevant. the system is still stupid

Once again, you don't have to. I created 30 booster packs in the winter sale from just turning the event backgrounds and emotes into gems. EZ.

You gotta know how to maximise the benefits of the platform before you moan about it.

well i dunno how you managed that.
perhaps i might have written it off, but only because the "free" items i got in previous events were ungemable, so I naturally concluded that anything earned for "Free" through these events would also have no value.

and yeah "steam is under no obligation to give us something of value for free" but that doesn't make it a "good" system.

[Spawn of Totoro]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BeatZ #GrandPrix2.0Please:

I have a few removed games on my account that have trading cards. They are pretty rare so people sometimes pay a few hundrets or even a few thousand gems for a single card...

It all is a subject of perspective

okay, what? hold on, you can sell your cards on the market for gems?!
if that's true, i stand corrected. because I thought I had to "destroy" the cards to get paltry amounts.

as for the other guys, you are still missing the point. I LIKE that they gave us a way to get rid of useless items. it pisses me off that the gem amounts are so tiny. the cost in gems of creating the thing you want is 100 times more than the value of the things you had to destroy to get it.
that is what is stupid about it.

He means trading people. You can trade cards and gems with people.

The amount of gems is based on the market price of the cards. If you are getting rid of low value, common cards, then you will get fewer gems.

Again, value is subjective. Any card with 3 or 4 cents, I simply gem as it is more convenient to do so vs placing it on the market and it never selling and I never getting single penny.

You are free not to like it, but increasing the gem amount isn't likely to happen. Doesn't mean it is a bad system, just one you don't like.

[JPMcMillen]

There are games whose cards, boosters, backgrounds, and emoticons are no longer marketable. So if you want to get rid of them, your only choices are to trade with someone else or turn them into gems.

Also, some items are worth a good number of gems and would net more gems than you could get with the whole 1¢ you could earn by selling the items. So if you are trying to get gems for boosters, converting unwanted items can sometimes be more profitable than selling them.

And given that prices for gem sacks has been rising for a while, converting will be a better and better option for those wanting gems.

[Snapjak]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย faeЯ:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Snapjak:

Not everyone can use the market or trade, or wants to. So they have an option to get cards for a game they want instead of being totally prevented from doing so.

There are games where you can't even trade/sell the cards, so what are you going to do with them? Will them into new cards?

This is a bad argument.

First he has to get a load of cars trough games, as he "cant use the market" like you said" Then he has to craft them all into a booster, that most likely gives you duplicates of already owned cards anyway. Really flawed excuse for a flawed system.

What? OP is ranting about the gemming of cards being stupid. What are you talking about.

[Icedfate]

as for the gem conversion rate being tied to the market value, I'm not so sure about that.
I have a card with a 6 cents value on the market, but converts to only 6 gems, while another card with a 6 cent value converts to 14 gems, while yet another with a 5 cent value converts to 17 gems.


also pointing out that I don't think the idea of turning the "free" event items into gems is stupid. I actually have 2200 gems, mostly from converting crap like that. anything that is unsellable but they allow me to turn into gems , i'll do so.

my post said "turning CARDS into gems is so stupid" which can be easily misinterpreted, I realize now, you might think i'm calling you stupid for doing it, which I am not.
I just think the idea that they expect people to do so is stupid. because the amount of gems you get for turning a card into gems is so small, there is literally no way to do it efficiently.
giving us the "option" to turn a card into 6 gems is theoretically "better" than not giving us the option but then saying "oh well, wtf are you complaining about, they gave you the option", it's still a stupid option.

you would be better off just selling or trading them.

[J4MESOX4D]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

as for the gem conversion rate being tied to the market value, I'm not so sure about that.
I have a card with a 6 cents value on the market, but converts to only 6 gems, while another card with a 6 cent value converts to 14 gems, while yet another with a 5 cent value converts to 17 gems.

Then sell the card for 6 cents and put that money towards buying gems maybe?

[Icedfate]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย J4MESOX4D:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

as for the gem conversion rate being tied to the market value, I'm not so sure about that.
I have a card with a 6 cents value on the market, but converts to only 6 gems, while another card with a 6 cent value converts to 14 gems, while yet another with a 5 cent value converts to 17 gems.

Then sell the card for 6 cents and put that money towards buying gems maybe?

well, duh, I do sell the cards. again you miss my point. "turning the cards into gems is stupid" because the cards give so little gems. which again, i realize i worded that poorly, because it implies that i'm calling the people who do this stupid, which i am not. it is the system that I think is stupid, not the people who use it. (maybe indirectly, i'm calling the designers of said system, stupid, but whatever,)

[JPMcMillen]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

as for the gem conversion rate being tied to the market value, I'm not so sure about that.
I have a card with a 6 cents value on the market, but converts to only 6 gems, while another card with a 6 cent value converts to 14 gems, while yet another with a 5 cent value converts to 17 gems.

It depends on the card and the market price of gems at any given time. A couple of years ago, a bag of gems cost a little more than double what it does currently. It crashed last year but has been steadily rising. If it ever gets back up there 1¢ would only be 10-11 gems and some cards are worth more than a handful of gems.

[J4MESOX4D]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Icedfate:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย J4MESOX4D:

Then sell the card for 6 cents and put that money towards buying gems maybe?

well, duh, I do sell the cards. again you miss my point. "turning the cards into gems is stupid" because the cards give so little gems. which again, i realize i worded that poorly, because it implies that i'm calling the people who do this stupid, which i am not. it is the system that I think is stupid, not the people who use it. (maybe indirectly, i'm calling the designers of said system, stupid, but whatever,)

If it's 'stupid' then don't do it? The option is there but you don't have to do it. If they limited gems then people would soon moan plus that would mean the prices of the gems themselves would rise sharply outside of events and then you'd probably call that 'stupid' too.

[Icedfate]

well, forgive me, but I didn't know you could "buy" gems directly. or trade them with other users.

where do you "buy" the gems? I don't see the option in the market.

I thought the only way to get gems was by destroying unwanted items and the only use the gems had was crafting boosters, so you can understand why i might have thought it was stupid.