WTF is it with Origin, Uplay, and Epic Games Store?!!??

[Rylan]

Quite a few of the game's i've been getting recently have been only playable in other game stores. which would be fine if

1. There werent so many of them

2. If they werent so massive (often multiple gigabytes large)

3. They were more usable

For point one, I'm mad that there are so many game stores becuase PC gaming used to be so much more simple. You had steam, and that was (generally) all you needed. Having multiple other services is just annoying and overcomplicated.

For point two, I'm frustrated with how large these other services are, since my internet connection is balls, (something I cannot control) and I have to download a 55gb game just to find that I have to download more for a new launcher, one that is less functional and clean than steam. Just let me play my game. (Uplay I believe is like 5 or 8 gb, although i could be wrong)

For point 3, I'm angry that these other launchers arent more usable. Uplay wouldnt let me launch Rayman: Legends without copy/pasting the license code from steam EVERY FREAKING TIME I wanted to launch the game, not to mention that it straight up would lock me out of my account. I can never get Epic Games' cloud saving services to work, either, not to mention the inavigability of the Epic Games Launcher. Steam's user interface is so much easier to use and familiar to a vast majority of the PC gaming community.

Basically, I just find this to be incredibly annoying and unnecessary. These publishers say it's for money, but it seems like the work and money spent programming and supporting these launchers, not to mention cloud saving servers, wouldnt be worth the extra money they make from the games. It's just so much better for the consumer for everything to be in one place, and if the PC "system" of gaming continues to fragment like this, it could start losing ground to console, the arguably more simple platform.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

You see why owning your games for real and being able to save installer anywhere you want is better now

[feytharn]

Things to consider within your rant
- Uplay is a little less then 600MB
- If you install the current version of Uplay, it does not need you to give a code at all
- For PC, you still need only one device for all those (free) launchers, for an 'exclusive' console game, you will need another expensive device.

[Crazy Tiger]

Origin has been around for ages, as has Uplay. The latter stopped putting games on Steam after the emergence of the Epic game store, as they felt that this would be the chance to increase the revenue in their own store. Which seems to be working.
Epic wants it's own part.

You seem to forget stores like GoG, Gamergate, Paradoxs own store, Battle.net, Rockstar launcher, etc.

It's nothing new. The big companies rather have 100% than give 20-30% to Valve. It's actually a bit the same as with Disney making its own streaming service and pullingthe stuff from Netflix, such stuff happens everywhere in the entertainment industry.

Launchers are also nothing new. Developers choose to implement them as DLC-managers and marketing tool and in all fairness, it's actually Steam that is the 3rd party launcher for those games.

Myths why PC gaming would lose grounds to consoles have been around for decades, people should stop with that doom thinking. Plenty of games are only on PC and not on consoles. Same goes for "what's better for consumers". Some people argue that it's better for consumers to have multiple stores, to encourage competition.

Funny thing is that before Steam you only had brick & mortar stores. And if I wanted to get all games, I still needed to visit a couple mortar & brick stores to be able to get them all. It really hasn't changed much in that aspect, except for the convenience of shopping from the computer.

[tmwfte]

None of the clients are larger than a 1 GB. So...you seem to be doing something wrong.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

I think he doesnt like the possible data mining in background from all those launchers. Each ones a security whole like who knows if epic is sending hidden telemetry or browsing data to china while its installed

Awful lot of “free” games got to be paid for somehow

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by HypersleepyNaputunia:

You see why owning your games for real and being able to save installer anywhere you want is better now

Same license and "ownership" rights, only one is not enforceable.

With the number of games I have, to download and store those installers would require me to set up a massive storage device, just to keep them ($300 for the NAS, $350x2 for two 10TB drives = $1k just for storing installers). Some games are 100GB, so even 80 GB compressed. By 3TB drive only has 400-500 GB free and it is full of games. I have over 850 games on my account, with less then 200 installed.

Sorry, but no, your way is not better for me and not likely to be for others as well.

Originally posted by RylanTHEHammer:

Quite a few of the game's i've been getting recently have been only playable in other game stores. which would be fine if

1. There werent so many of them

2. If they werent so massive (often multiple gigabytes large)

3. They were more usable

For point one, I'm mad that there are so many game stores becuase PC gaming used to be so much more simple. You had steam, and that was (generally) all you needed. Having multiple other services is just annoying and overcomplicated.

For point two, I'm frustrated with how large these other services are, since my internet connection is balls, (something I cannot control) and I have to download a 55gb game just to find that I have to download more for a new launcher, one that is less functional and clean than steam. Just let me play my game. (Uplay I believe is like 5 or 8 gb, although i could be wrong)

For point 3, I'm angry that these other launchers arent more usable. Uplay wouldnt let me launch Rayman: Legends without copy/pasting the license code from steam EVERY FREAKING TIME I wanted to launch the game, not to mention that it straight up would lock me out of my account. I can never get Epic Games' cloud saving services to work, either, not to mention the inavigability of the Epic Games Launcher. Steam's user interface is so much easier to use and familiar to a vast majority of the PC gaming community.

Basically, I just find this to be incredibly annoying and unnecessary. These publishers say it's for money, but it seems like the work and money spent programming and supporting these launchers, not to mention cloud saving servers, wouldnt be worth the extra money they make from the games. It's just so much better for the consumer for everything to be in one place, and if the PC "system" of gaming continues to fragment like this, it could start losing ground to console, the arguably more simple platform.

I use both Origin and Uplay. Never had such issues.

I also use Battle.net and GOG Galaxy.

[FINAL_Bₒₛₛ]

Because PC it is an open platform, unlike consoles which are tied to a brand.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

All my 600 games would be easy to store on a $50 4tb hdd. Thats before zipping even. You are an outlier with need $1000 in harddrives

[psychotron666]

You can thank steam for starting the trend. All game launchers with heavy drm and dumb TOS are cancer, including steam

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by HypersleepyNaputunia:

All my 600 games would be easy to store on a $50 4tb hdd. Thats before zipping even. You are an outlier with need $1000 in harddrives

Not really. There are many on Steam with thousands of games... on Steam alone and not considering non-Steam games.

Unless you only buy older games (or retro style games), then 600 on a 4TB drive is more of an out-liner. If I got 600 games from GOG, then I could see it as those older games tend to be less then 1GB. Elder Scrolls Online is over 100 GB, ARK is about 120GB. Modern games take up far more space.

With the number of games people have growing and the size requirements of modern games, keeping an installer is not feasible and will become less so, as games continue to increase in size.

Eventually this will lead to cloud computing and a completely different licensing model, where you don't even download the games (if they can get costs to operate down, improve performance, internet requirements down and find a proper business model people are willing to pay for).

Would still have to log into different services as well, but that part of what the OP is complaining about is unavoidable.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

as you already know PC isnt really one for simplicity, it already lost ground to console in terms of simplicity

if you just want a simple way to play your games nothing more nothing less, sounds like you should invest in a console
PC may have more features but consoles has more simplicity, like android and iOS

[Darkwave Dahlia]

Epic made Origin look good.

[RRW359]

1. It's good for competition that there are multiple.
2. Asside from Steam I've only used Origin and GOG. Origin is fine but I do remember GOG being a bit unintuitive, although I used it years ago and it may have changed since.
3. I like that we have forums, but IMHO Origin is as if not more usable than Steam in all other respects.

[Blargo]

Competition.

[AbedsBrother]

Originally posted by RylanTHEHammer:

For point one, I'm mad that there are so many game stores becuase PC gaming used to be so much more simple. You had steam, and that was (generally) all you needed. Having multiple other services is just annoying and overcomplicated.

Capitalism & a free-market economy.

Originally posted by RylanTHEHammer:

For point two, I'm frustrated with how large these other services are, since my internet connection is balls, (something I cannot control) and I have to download a 55gb game just to find that I have to download more for a new launcher, one that is less functional and clean than steam. Just let me play my game. (Uplay I believe is like 5 or 8 gb, although i could be wrong)

Uplay is about 400MB on my hard-drive. Origin is 350MB. GOG Galaxy is 200MB. The Epic Games' launcher is 800MB. Installing games to the default directories may make the folders larger (Epic & Origin don't install games to the same folder as the app), but they're not large by themselves.

Originally posted by RylanTHEHammer:

For point 3, I'm angry that these other launchers arent more usable. Uplay wouldnt let me launch Rayman: Legends without copy/pasting the license code from steam EVERY FREAKING TIME I wanted to launch the game, not to mention that it straight up would lock me out of my account. I can never get Epic Games' cloud saving services to work, either, not to mention the inavigability of the Epic Games Launcher. Steam's user interface is so much easier to use and familiar to a vast majority of the PC gaming community.

Uplay has been having issues the past few weeks (though I haven't had any problems).

Ppl can hate on the Epic store & launcher for a variety of reasons (many of them justified), but claiming the Epic launcher is hard to use is nonsense. There are entries for store, library, and friends on the left when launching. The usual criticism is that the Epic launcher is too simple (ie lacks features), not that it's "unnavigable."

Originally posted by RylanTHEHammer:

Basically, I just find this to be incredibly annoying and unnecessary. These publishers say it's for money, but it seems like the work and money spent programming and supporting these launchers, not to mention cloud saving servers, wouldnt be worth the extra money they make from the games. It's just so much better for the consumer for everything to be in one place, and if the PC "system" of gaming continues to fragment like this, it could start losing ground to console, the arguably more simple platform.

PC gaming is doing so well that Sony is starting to port some Playstation exclusives to PC (Horizon Zero Dawn - and it's rumored that God of War & Last of Us are coming too). You don't like all the competing launchers, and that's fine, but don't pretend that PC gaming is somehow in dire need of "one launcher to rule them all" in order to survive vs. consoles.