Why all the Steam hate?

[MaddSkillz]

So I get the angst of players that perhaps came recent to Steam (or have been here a bit) and now compare it to Epic, but frankly if not for Steam there would not be any online PC market places at all. Uplay, Origin, Battlenet, Epic - now maybe Verizon and Google - they are all riding off Steam.

Sure Steam could improve, it does all the time. But no way im going to run 6+ more? game platforms to run my games (165 on Steam alone). Simply having all my games in one location, that get updated all the time for various OS, driver or other content update, is a massive benefit. Beats the BS of having to search for updates once a upon a time.

Yes not perfect. But so much better than it used to be (piss off i know im likely older than most) but still has a lot of upside.

Peace

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Originally posted by MaddSkillz:

So I get the angst of players that perhaps came recent to Steam (or have been here a bit) and now compare it to Epic, but frankly if not for Steam there would not be any online PC market places at all. Uplay, Origin, Battlenet, Epic - now maybe Verizon and Google - they are all riding off Steam.

Sure Steam could improve, it does all the time. But no way im going to run 6+ more? game platforms to run my games (165 on Steam alone). Simply having all my games in one location, that get updated all the time for various OS, driver or other content update, is a massive benefit. Beats the BS of having to search for updates once a upon a time.

Yes not perfect. But so much better than it used to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥off i know im likely older than most) but still has a lot of upside.

Peace

Money.

All the people controlling theories are not a joke. All you need to do to make someone hate something is to put out a bait, make some bots spread it and boom - you've got a riot on the Internet.
Steam hasn't changed since the days it was beloved for all the super-cheap deals. It's the same Steam, maybe better! Hell, I'm just going to make a list of all that makes Steam better than PSN, XBL or Switch Network:
- Steam offers you automatic refunds
- fun collecting cards
- hundreds of great discounts without you having to pay 10$ monthly,
- free games (not often, but happens) and free weekends
- a great community board where you can actually get an answer if you have troubles with the games;
- an actual response to customer's feedback (the recent sexual visual novel thing);
- fun events on Holidays which NONE of the companies will ever do.

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Continuing my previous message, I'll say that Epic Store, GOG and others are spreading this misinformation to get that PC gaming pie to themselves. All you need to do to make someone hate something is to post multiple hateful messages on the Internet. "Oh, Steam offers 30% less money to the developers!" is the one that you hear recently.
So what?? You're not the developer. Developers get paid plenty for making all those games. Hell, even if the game fails in sales, developers still get paid! There are so many trashy games made daily, games with no soul and love poured into them and you're worried about those bastards not getting those juicy 30%? What are you worried about? Are you worried about a business not getting enough checks? What, you have nothing to worry about in your life but to count someone else's money?

The whole "30% cut" bait was thrown in by Epic Store, I am 100% in it and now what they do is they seize the panic to get a cut from Steam. All these insect services like GOG, Epic Store, Uplay have one little gimmick which they built their reputation on. GOG - Witcher and all the elitist beard-kids backing it up + DRM-free games, retro. Epic Store - oh my gosh, 30% cut. Yes, baby!! Uplay and Origin - just junk, they don't even have any gimmicks.

So, yeah, don't be a machine that follows what you read on the Internet. Be smarter and support Steam. It has been there from the start and it hasn't changed, it only got better.

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It's actually rather funny to see all the politics and meme loving children (brain, not age) scream "i hate steam!!!! take smaller cut!!!". It's like a scene from one of the gangster movies... with the only difference being that you're not robbing a bank, you're not getting a dollar and... you're actually asking one business (not a person, a financial institution run with one and only purpose - money) to give more money to another business... goodness.

I feel like all these people need a good slap in their face. Just one or two. To wake them up from this eternal sleep of stupidity that they've fallen into. This comatose of mindlessly following what the Internet says, mindlessly reading those sales chart and wasting your time on it. "All the cool kids on reddit do it, so I should , too!" These people need a good meaty slap of reality to appreciate the life.

That is all from me.
Love Steam and don't be stupid.

[✪ Wuhan Warrior 🍉🍉]

Looks like Steam has finally met someone more of it's match. Time for improvement perhaps, instead of laying there just continually milking this platform?

Also lay off some seriously below average intellectual mods too.

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Originally posted by ꧁༺₦Ї₦ℑ₳༻꧂:

Looks like Steam has finally met someone more of it's match. Time for improvement perhaps, instead of laying there just continually milking this platform?

Also lay off some seriously below average intellectual mods too.

Are you a bot?

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by TheRandomGuy:

Honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of people who believe Steam hasn't done anything for PC.

Consider there's a LOT of people out there whom have grown with Steam already being a thing and not knowing how things were before.
The 2000 happened 19 years ago.

[DarkStarClassic]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by TheRandomGuy:

Honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of people who believe Steam hasn't done anything for PC.

Consider there's a LOT of people out there whom have grown with Steam already being a thing and not knowing how things were before.
The 2000 happened 19 years ago.

Every platform have it's pro's and con's but steam did much for PC as platform. Things before where wild west Steam changed alot. I'll bet steam reduced paracy greatly in favor of buying your games online.

[Sammy]

I don't really have anything against Steam, but many developers now see the 25% cut as unacceptable, and really I have to agree. We're talking about taking a quarter of all profits without having anything to do with the games production or publishing, Steam these days is just a glorified bandwidth rental for games - they host the games and that's it. What does Steam actually DO to deserve that much of a cut? A new platform like Epic driving down Steam's cut (and the cuts of other online stores too) to something more acceptable like 10% would be a good thing for PC gaming, especially indies.

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by TheRandomGuy:

Honestly, I'm surprised at the amount of people who believe Steam hasn't done anything for PC.

Consider there's a LOT of people out there whom have grown with Steam already being a thing and not knowing how things were before.
The 2000 happened 19 years ago.

But, as I said earlier, saying Steam did it all is rather unfair. I find parallels to Microsoft or Netflix. They were """first""" (Xerox and literally any internet video). They just managed themselves well, sold themselves well, and were a step ahead in the market. Steam had Half-Life 2 and it was exclusive, which everyone is seemingly willing to forget and rage at Epic for.

The ability to get video game content through the internet was an eventuality. Once the throughput of a home modem matched the ability to write to a CD and send it through the mail, it was all over. https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/
Same with other services like Netflix or cloud back up: why bother to have a physical version if you can have a reliable, online version for cheaper/faster/less likely to degrade/etc.

Don't get me wrong, Steam did many things and was a pioneer in many ways. But it has seemingly single handedly created PC microtransactions, turned a blind eye to the CS:GO gambling issue for quite a while, and rarely acts in consumers' interests if it threatens profits. (How long did it take to get refunds? Gambling skins? The entire market place and all the scams that go on, so on and so forth. Something something Europe and all their human rights.)

I mean, Steam has a real platform of millions and millions. The fact devs are willing to forgo that is telling. I'm not a dev/publisher so I can't speak with any experience. However, I can see simple math and do know how stupid video game executives think. Look at Netflix (again). Hulu is dropping their prices while Netflix is raising theirs. Disney finally realized that they can make more money on their own platform. There are direct parallels with Netflix:Steam, Hulu:Epic, Disney:all the launchers from publishers with in-house stuff, etc.

[HEXEN]

What's that about CS:GO gambling issues that Steam "created"? You mean people who got "scammed" because they didn't pay attention and blindly clicking on links and buying virtual knifes for real money and giving away their log-in information?

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by ᛋᚺᚨᚾᛞᛟᚱ:

What's that about CS:GO gambling issues that Steam "created"? You mean people who got "scammed" because they didn't pay attention and blindly clicking on links and buying virtual knifes for real money and giving away their log-in information?

https://www.pcgamer.com/why-the-csgo-gambling-lawsuit-against-valve-is-fundamentally-flawed/

They created the platform for the skins, and were sued over the gambling issues.

Even if they were 100% innocent in everyway, the simple controversy of "STEAM AND STREAMERS MAKES MONEY OFF KIDS GAMBLING!!!1!" is enough to spook helicopter parents. now we're off to Epic and Fortnite!!!1!

All I was saying is that Valve certainly isn't perfect and hasn't "only improved with time." It has created many issues. They didn't have to create the skin/crate market. They did because it was a quick and easy buck. And because of that, every single time I looked at the CS:GO workshop page I saw it flooded with "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! FREE KNIFE! Just sign in and send this link to all your friends!" I've reported many
My few crappy TF2 items worth pennies have gotten random adds looking to scam me. More than once, more than twice.

Same with PUBG. The market and the abilty to make money off ripping accounts and their inventories is a big detractor. The sheer number of spam, alt, and bot accounts calls into question player count, average users, and player experience.

Any account is worth more to a scammer if it can trade. It makes it easy to dump scammed items onto and switched to a third account. You can't do that with a platform that doesn't have a market place. (i.e. when it's games only, the only way to profit from a scam is to steal the account for the games)

Valve's decisions directly impacted the sheer number of attempts on my account. That's all.

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[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

Steam had Half-Life 2 and it was exclusive, which everyone is seemingly willing to forget and rage at Epic for.

No, people don't forget that, they notice the difference. Half-Life 2 and Steam are both from Valve. Epic is making games exclusive that they did not make nor publish.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

Valve's decisions directly impacted the sheer number of attempts on my account. That's all.

LOL, what?

I havent had that experience at all, and Im willing to bet my account is a little more desirable than yours.

Im going to guess that has more to do with sites you visit and people you associate with.

[Commander Hitman2b]

the thing with steam is if you got some legendary skin for CSGO you can sell them for a little ammount of money but you have to play and buy key i wonder why they no making the box open free like payday with the small vault that give you skin