I still think Steam guard item holds are wayyyy tooo long

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Senturing tuna Mar 9, 2020 @ 10:17pm

If you dont know steam guard is the security system of steam for your items. It does it job and its pretty good in my opinion now you may ask then why are you making this discussion? because its way too good at doing its job I mean 1. you can't trade with out steam guard a.k.a the steam phone app so if you dont have a phone well your fucced. 2. After applying steam guard in your account you need to wait a week to access the market I mean good enough it doesn't seem that long a week is not that bad I get it. but then you see YOUR ITEMS ON THE MARKET ARE ON HOLD FOR 15 DAYS. so not only do you have to wait 7 days to just access the market normally but you also have to WAIT 15 DAYS to just sell an item I mean dear god your gonna be waiting almost a month just to buy and sell stuff. then you may ask why dont you just idk not use steam guard? welp you can do that but it pretty much restricts you to the bare bone of steam and not be able to use much of the community tab and not be able to access the market. I mean I understand waiting for a week but 3 WEEKS!? really? isn't that way too long?

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Zekiran Mar 9, 2020 @ 11:03pm

"It's MEAN".

It's a SECURITY measure.

Why not spend some time looking around the forums for the MANY times that people have had their accounts hijacked - market holds and cooldowns help them NOT have all their items stolen from them instantly.

You can still trade without the phone app. You just have to be patient. Anything that you want to buy or sell I can virtually guarantee you will be on the market after that time anyway.

That guy with the Spoon Mar 10, 2020 @ 12:20am

having a bit of patience is hard today.

ShelLuser Mar 10, 2020 @ 2:24am

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
1. you can't trade with out steam guard a.k.a the steam phone app so if you dont have a phone well your fucced.

Wrong. If you don't have a phone then the secret codes will simply be mailed to you.

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
2. After applying steam guard in your account you need to wait a week to access the market I mean good enough it doesn't seem that long a week is not that bad I get it. but then you see YOUR ITEMS ON THE MARKET ARE ON HOLD FOR 15 DAYS. so not only do you have to wait 7 days to just access the market normally but you also have to WAIT 15 DAYS to just sell an item I mean dear god your gonna be waiting almost a month just to buy and sell stuff.

One aspect can be prevented by preparing yourselves properly. And the other is simply necessary. That delay is set up to prevent scammers from stealing someones inventory "just like that". If you pay a little attention to these forums you'll notice that plenty of Steam users (and most notably people who are into trading) allow themselves to get fooled by scamming websites. As a result their accounts get taken over which is exactly what Steam guard is protecting; if this happens then the bad guys can't just give all the inventory away (or sell it at a minimum price to an associated account).

So no, this isn't too long I think. It blocks attackers and gives scam victims and Steam support enough time to undo the damage.

werhsre334 Mar 10, 2020 @ 3:21am

You have to wait a month, because other people are really, really, dumb.

That's the world now.

J4MESOX4D Mar 10, 2020 @ 4:48am

15 days is a long time for holds but it has to be done thanks to other users incompetence over the years. This period enables compromised users to identify that their account is hijacked, secure their account credentials and revoke any market listings created in this time. Items under $1 can be listed immediately thankfully but anything above has to be held for this period.

If you want to use the market to its fullest potential then you will need a mobile authenticator. At least this enables instant listings and is safer because it's a separate device assuming you don't give away your entire credential set to a phishing page.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 Mar 10, 2020 @ 7:43am

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
If you dont know steam guard is the security system of steam for your items.

And account as well for extra security, hence 2FA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIOUlQeQbNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
It does it job and its pretty good in my opinion now you may ask then why are you making this discussion? because its way too good at doing its job I mean 1. you can't trade with out steam guard a.k.a the steam phone app so if you dont have a phone well your fucced.

That why you write your recovery code, which was the point, when you're shown a red sign telling you, write it down, so you can remove it from account, if you end up losing your device, and not being able to login.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8625-wrah-9030#sold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
2. After applying steam guard in your account you need to wait a week to access the market I mean good enough it doesn't seem that long a week is not that bad I get it. but then you see YOUR ITEMS ON THE MARKET ARE ON HOLD FOR 15 DAYS. so not only do you have to wait 7 days to just access the market normally but you also have to WAIT 15 DAYS to just sell an item I mean dear god your gonna be waiting almost a month just to buy and sell stuff.

Account Hijackers will love to have the option of not having to put up with the wait time restrictions, so they can sell your items, or trade your items right away so you don't have a chance to get your account back in time. Now you know why you have this restrictions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

Originally posted by J4T0NKS:
then you may ask why dont you just idk not use steam guard? welp you can do that but it pretty much restricts you to the bare bone of steam and not be able to use much of the community tab and not be able to access the market. I mean I understand waiting for a week but 3 WEEKS!? really? isn't that way too long?

Who said you can't access the market, or trade? You can still trade, or sell on the market but you will need to deal with the trade / sell hold restrictions.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8078-TPHC-6195 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

Naota Mar 10, 2020 @ 7:46am

The excuse that it's a "security measure" is bull

I do online banking with several accounts.
They are completely secure, and their security measures don't require a "smartphone".
Everything is verified with just my PC.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 Mar 10, 2020 @ 7:53am

Originally posted by Naota:
The excuse that it's a "security measure" is bull

I do online banking with several accounts.
They are completely secure, and their security measures don't require a "smartphone".
Everything is verified with just my PC.

It's optional, not mandatory. Some services don't provide 2FA, and just rely on your password only. Some services may have their own other ways, such as password, and provide word's to answers your hidden questions only you should know, to verify to login, and some may provide their own 2FA app, or email / sms text 2FA.

ShelLuser Mar 10, 2020 @ 8:10am

Originally posted by Naota:
The excuse that it's a "security measure" is bull

There are plenty of threads on this forum which proof otherwise.

Originally posted by Naota:
I do online banking with several accounts.

So? You're now ignoring the fact that some of Steam's users don't even have their own bank account just yet.

And even bank accounts aren't safe when it comes to scams. In the end it's the user that's the missing link.

Alienz Mar 10, 2020 @ 7:12pm

Its not for security its to push the app on mobile phones to get more revenue any other excuses are pure ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This new "improved" ui is just another step towards it.

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Paratech2008 Mar 10, 2020 @ 7:42pm

The app is free, how does Valve make money off a free app?

They had too many people using support because their accounts were 'hacked' whereas they really have away their personal information.

That's also why a $5 minimum is needed to have an unlimited account.

Heck I got my first 'scam' text today from some losers claiming I owed Bank of America over $850. I have no contact with Bank of America.

Some scammers sent me a phone call claiming my social security number was going to be banned for crimes committed in Texas. I have NEVER been to Texas.

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Alienz Mar 10, 2020 @ 8:22pm

People download the app and then they get more people seeing games which leads to people buying games which uses money which is profit.

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nullable Mar 10, 2020 @ 9:05pm

Originally posted by Alien:
People download the app and then they get more people seeing games which leads to people buying games which uses money which is profit.

Those bastards... my favorite part about it is how the Steam client takes over your phone and then you have to do everything through the store page and watch ads before you can make a phone call, or run an app, I never put 2 + 2 together before.

Last edited by nullable; Mar 10, 2020 @ 9:07pm

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