Valve review censorship

[Masamune]

Why does Valve think they're justified to take away our rights to criticize gaming companies for their own fu*k ups if you won't allow us to review bomb I'm just going file a complaint at authorities or consumers associations.
My country isn't that far away from Belgium we already pressured Valve to shutdown CSGO gambling sites

https://youtu.be/pnBOcLRIW5U

[McGillicutti]

Escrito originalmente por Yasahi:

Escrito originalmente por McGillicutti:

Edit: I am not seeing a flag on the store page... Sorry.

It's at the bottom of the right info column on the store page.

Escrito originalmente por RedLightning:

Okay .. so lets take into the puzzle..

STEAM.. itself.. they do not listen to SQUAT.. so where to hit em.. a review bomb.. but.. where..

At least when a developer doesn't listen in the forums and refuses to do something that the customers (who spent their money) want..

However most of these devs spend more time adding crap that us unneccary and unneeded .. but ignore the customer base at large..

Hey I'm not saying *ALL* are like this.. and not all bombs are deserved.. however the ones that I've had the pleasure of experiencing and being part of (being subjective).. have been WELL DESERVED.

DOWNRIGHT DESERVED..

Still Skylines is leaving a bitter taste in my mouth .. but to know that I have little power to tell em to knock it the hell off.. and there is always a chance that any disention in the reviews will be considered a review bomb and subject to being hidden.. rubs me the wrong way..

Yea.. sure like I said some are not deserved.. however leaving that decision up to Valve who just LOVES having the developers around as of late are not really going to be on our side.

That takes trust.. and I do not trust Valve.

You not trusting the devs or Valve does not matter. You wanting something does not make the devs accountable to you. It is their product and they decide how to update it if they update it at all. People like you are the exact reason companies are taking measures to remove or hide reviews and ratings since those reviews and ratings lose all meaning when they're used to demonstrate hurt feelings. That's not what they're meant for.

If anything, Valve should allow publishers to ban people taking part in review bombing from reviewing any of their catalog in the future. Would also make it easier for Valve since they wouldn't need to go around cleaning up after every temper tantrum people throw.

Appreciate the help with where report flag is.

Regarding what you said, I am glad Steam is in the midst of it or they'd have no credibility with so many companies that sell through them, and that's to us as Customers. Many wouldn't be here because we were abused by a Dev and/or Publisher and Steam ignored the wrongs of these companies who, as has been said already, sometimes made fake positive reviews. Those would not result in the Dev being punished if they had the power to remove negative ones and ban people for them.

That people are hurt is EXACTLY why the Dev and/or Publisher is responsible. They knew or should have known and often users who played the game, like with an Early Access, told the Devs of a problem or a bunch of them numerous times and these were all ignored, the Dev already was going to entirely change the game, tells no one, and some Devs have even made games unplayable, a spite upon the players after they took their money.

That there is no recourse and in a way Steam's EULA may bar any redress from the Dev and/or Publisher isn't just a bad feeling either, it's called theft, by fraud and misrepresentation, and the idea we can't assure that Dev and/or Publisher is held accountable, even by making sure other people don't lose their money is saying we don't have a duty to the community of gamers.

Sure I don't think fake reviews should be used, but I also don't think genuine negative reviews that are to help other Customers not be ripped off shouldn't be subject to a Developer and/or Publisher to remove and ban, or they'll just take them all out. It's enough they can ban a user from their hub for any reason and that means the user can't even discuss their issues on the Developer and/or Publisher's forum.

Devs and Publishers, even Steam, appears to agree with the notion that an idea that someone has needs to be ferreted out by the community, so why not a problem someone has with a product too?

I get where you're coming from but if we pay money then they have a duty do us, that's how we were hurt, we lost money, that's a wrong and likely an illegal wrong.

Where a product is entirely free, and maybe there's micro transactions but the player never used em, sure the Dev and/or Publisher has all say over their account, but the moment we spend money that changes, and their Eula not stating what rights we have doesn't deny us the Rights inherent in the idea of exchanging money for something of value when you proclaim you didn't receive the something of value and demand delivery or your money back. Sure there's limits, time limits etc., and we're to live and learn, but to hand Devs and/or Publishers all the power appears would be a mistake.

You are right, people like us, the ones that do not take being ripped off lying down, are the very reason Devs and/or Publishers want full authority to silence us after the fact.

[Masamune]

I didn't expect this thread to blow up or remain for long in the discussions. I have read some of your comments over the past 2 weeks and I hold to my opinions the gaming industry is largely unregulated.
If I'm not allowed to write a negative review because of a faulty game or predatory decisions of a developer, publisher or executives, etc.
I will advocate government regulations I didn't like when Gaben decide to add to the Steam “EULA” that all of my games are now subscriptions but now I believe regulations a necessary evil to keep companies in check

[Paratech2008]

Good luck getting the US government to regulate the video games industry. The United State Supreme Court considers them an artform and restricted what the government could do regarding them.

[Start_Running]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

I didn't expect this thread to blow up or remain for long in the discussions. I have read some of your comments over the past 2 weeks and I hold to my opinions the gaming industry is largely unregulated.

Though surprisingly more regulated than the water or factories emmissions in some countries.

If I'm not allowed to write a negative review because of a faulty game or predatory decisions of a developer, publisher or executives, etc.

Firstly. You can't have done much reading if you're saying this m8.
Steam doesn't prevent you from writing negative reviews. It just gives other people the choice as to whether or not they want the reviews of those and those like ou cluttering up their search for real reviews.

So might I suggest you actually try reading the responses and not just look for an excuse to bump what is a a dead thread. As said. Valve isn't saying you can't speak. They're just giving out free earplugs to those who don't want to hear you.

It is ironically the best way to deal with it. Those that want to get caught up in drama can, and those that don't, won't.

[Masamune]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

Good luck getting the US government to regulate the video games industry. The United State Supreme Court considers them an artform and restricted what the government could do regarding them.

I don't live in the United States but in Europe.
Last year I read in the news that there was bipartisan support for or a bill to regulate loot boxes and gambling mechanics in video games in the United States I don't know what happened to that. There's also in the UK there is also a push legislation.
I don't hold any power myself, but I do know some minor local politicians it might forward my concerns, even a drop in the bucket is enough for me hopefully it will spill over and it will get national attention.

[Paratech2008]

I mentioned and believe most gamers don't care about shady business tactics, microtransactions, day 1 DLC, etc. If they can play the game, that's all they care about. I think others agree with that as well.

[Paratech2008]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

Good luck getting the US government to regulate the video games industry. The United State Supreme Court considers them an artform and restricted what the government could do regarding them.

I don't live in the United States but in Europe.
Last year I read in the news that there was bipartisan support for or a bill to regulate loot boxes and gambling mechanics in video games in the United States I don't know what happened to that. There's also in the UK there is also a push legislation.
I don't hold any power myself, but I do know some minor local politicians it might forward my concerns, even a drop in the bucket is enough for me hopefully it will spill over and it will get national attention.

It hasn't gone anywhere so far in the US.

Any country that changes rules about gaming will probably be done via region.

I mentioned the US as that is where Valve is located.

[Tito Shivan]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

This review has been banned by a Steam moderator for violating the Steam Terms of Service. It cannot be edited by the writer.
https://imgur.com/a/u3UL2PQ

If you can take an advice. Next time try to be more elaborate on your review and don't just post a '♥♥♥♥ epic' ASCII art template. Those tend to be banned as Spam.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197979467906/recommended/8980/

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

Though surprisingly more regulated than the water or factories emmissions in some countries.


Firstly. You can't have done much reading if you're saying this m8.
Steam doesn't prevent you from writing negative reviews. It just gives other people the choice as to whether or not they want the reviews of those and those like ou cluttering up their search for real reviews.

So might I suggest you actually try reading the responses and not just look for an excuse to bump what is a a dead thread. As said. Valve isn't saying you can't speak. They're just giving out free earplugs to those who don't want to hear you.

It is ironically the best way to deal with it. Those that want to get caught up in drama can, and those that don't, won't.

This review has been banned by a Steam moderator for violating the Steam Terms of Service. It cannot be edited by the writer.
https://imgur.com/a/u3UL2PQ

Yep, you posted multiple reviews of ascii art of the middle finger. That is not a review of the game, violates the terms of service, etc.

So what you posted wasn't a review, but spam. Go to amazon or any other retail site or forum and do the same thing and see what response you get....

[󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧the.jester]

Then why aren't you review bombing on GOG then?

[Masamune]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

This review has been banned by a Steam moderator for violating the Steam Terms of Service. It cannot be edited by the writer.
https://imgur.com/a/u3UL2PQ

Yep, you posted multiple reviews of ascii art of the middle finger. That is not a review of the game, violates the terms of service, etc.

So what you posted wasn't a review, but spam. Go to amazon or any other retail site or forum and do the same thing and see what response you get....

you can't compare Steam with Amazon at least they are much better and helpful
"terms of service" these days is a fancy way of saying censorship

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Yep, you posted multiple reviews of ascii art of the middle finger. That is not a review of the game, violates the terms of service, etc.

So what you posted wasn't a review, but spam. Go to amazon or any other retail site or forum and do the same thing and see what response you get....

I do not support exclusivity I'm fine with publishers and game developers selling their games on multiple platforms because of these decisions.
I have not bought any of their games and I do not plan to buy future games same goes for Steam because Gaben decided to ignore this and started deleting reviews I'm now avoiding steam when I can if I can buy a game from GOG

That's fine, if you want to to boycott steam because a publisher decided to release on another platform and help encourage other games to do the same because they aren't selling on steam then that's your decision no matter how illogical it is.

it still doesn't give anyone the right to review bomb games and post nonsense and that behaviour would not be allowed on ANY site anywhere.

[BossGalaga]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Yep, you posted multiple reviews of ascii art of the middle finger. That is not a review of the game, violates the terms of service, etc.

So what you posted wasn't a review, but spam. Go to amazon or any other retail site or forum and do the same thing and see what response you get....

I do not support exclusivity I'm fine with publishers and game developers selling their games on multiple platforms because of these decisions.
I have not bought any of their games and I do not plan to buy future games same goes for Steam because Gaben decided to ignore this and started deleting reviews I'm now avoiding steam when I can if I can buy a game from GOG

Hey look at that, suddenly you're capable of intelligent discussion and articulation. If you had done that in the first place then your reviews wouldn't have been moderated. It's not because of a conspiracy by Valve to protect the publishers and unfairly targeting you. It's because you couldn't follow simple community rules.

[Masamune]

Escrito originalmente por BossGalaga:

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

I do not support exclusivity I'm fine with publishers and game developers selling their games on multiple platforms because of these decisions.
I have not bought any of their games and I do not plan to buy future games same goes for Steam because Gaben decided to ignore this and started deleting reviews I'm now avoiding steam when I can if I can buy a game from GOG

Hey look at that, suddenly you're capable of intelligent discussion and articulation. If you had done that in the first place then your reviews wouldn't have been moderated. It's not because of a conspiracy by Valve to protect the publishers and unfairly targeting you. It's because you couldn't follow simple community rules.

I'm allowed to write a review whether it's bad or a good one I bought the product if Gaben thinks he can solve issues with just a Halo bundle.
Review bombing works at least got my Warcraft 3 Reforged money back

[Gambit-3k]

Escrito originalmente por Anon:

Escrito originalmente por BossGalaga:

Hey look at that, suddenly you're capable of intelligent discussion and articulation. If you had done that in the first place then your reviews wouldn't have been moderated. It's not because of a conspiracy by Valve to protect the publishers and unfairly targeting you. It's because you couldn't follow simple community rules.

I'm allowed to write a review whether it's bad or a good one I bought the product if Gaben thinks he can solve issues with just a Halo bundle.

You didn't write a review, you just yelled obscenities in the place where reviews are supposed to go.