Hugo Strange 10 ENE 2020 a las 11:56 a. m.
Rivalry amongst Companies
So, this quickly became a complete freakshow of big brain timers around here.
Let's start again and attempt to turn this around shall we?

What would you wish to see changed or improved on Steam and how?
Enumerate 3 things, and 3 things only, if you have nothing proper to stay, please, don't.

I'll start with a single one.

1 - In the library/store section/search bar i would like to be able to find Content using genre/other keywords, such as "horror", "action", "company x" etc.

2 - Less wasted UI space.

3 - Better content management/approval to avoid clones, nsfw games, and such as a big part of the population are underage.

What are your ideas/suggestions?
Última edición por Hugo Strange; 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:48 a. m.
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Zekiran 10 ENE 2020 a las 2:47 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por DA|Astelan:
That is not a sustainable business practice
Gwarsbane 10 ENE 2020 a las 3:30 p. m. 
You might have an argument IF epic provided all the same stuff that Valve provides, but they don't. Epic doesn't even have a shopping cart... something thats standard on every single store online since pretty much the start of stores selling stuff on the internet.

And just to name a few other things that Steam has that epic doesn't that do actually matter to a large number of people...

Achievements
Discussion forums
Cloud Saves
User Profiles
User Reviews
Mod distribution
discussion groups
item trading and selling
library sorting
account sharing
streaming to other devices
broadcasting
screenshot capture
user created guides
wish lists

There is more but you get the point. When people complain that epic is better, they seem to leave out a LOT of information about what Steam has but epic (and many other game stores with a client) do not have.

Epic buys the games that they are giving away. In other words they are not even free, the developers get checks from epic to give away their games, to draw in people. Valve does not buy the games, it gives devs the option of putting their games up for free if they want. They can easily set what ever price they want for the games. Also epic can only do this for so long before they burn through their money because fortnite will not be popular for ever, its already loosing lots of people and money.

Valve does not make games exclusive to Steam only, thats 100% up to the developers to do that. Epic on the other hand have been giving game publishers suitcases filled with money to make their games exclusive to epic, so far there is no information on if this actually means they sell more on epic then on steam because the games that are epic exclusive have not hit the end of their exclusive date yet and that information might also never be given out, or hid in such a way that no useful data can be gleamed from it. One of the first games to end its epic exclusive will be borderlands 3. Depending on how its released on steam (with the included Denevo DRM that many gamers despise) it could hurt the sales on Steam. There is also the fact that Borderlands 3 has been given out with AMD cards and I think CPUs too, so again depending on how those are included in the earning reports might skew that numbers too.

Valve also does not force game developers to use DRM at all. They provide a way for they to use steam as a DRM but not every game maker uses that. No DRM is what GOG is known for. Some publishers don't mind that, some do.

Epic is 40% by a Chinese company who by its very nature has to hand over information about anyone on their service to the Chinese government anytime they ask, they can not say no or else their people go to prison or worse. Valve is 100% American owned and if the US government asks for anything more then tax related info on US citizens only Valve can tell them to get stuffed because legally they can't do a thing, unless there is a warrant involved which has to be proven to be needed in a court of law first.

So ya, once epic and all those other store clients are on the same level and offer the same or better stuff then steam, then you can claim that epic is better and that Valve should be worried. Till then, no there is nothing for Valve to really worry about.
Kargor 10 ENE 2020 a las 5:34 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Gwarsbane:
And just to name a few other things that Steam has that epic doesn't that do actually matter to a large number of people...
...

While most of the stuff is irrelevant for me, I made another test: I looked at the last 10 games I've played. Actually played, so no card-idling, no Christmas sale tasks, and no launches to check for something to answer a question.

Out of those 10 games, 0 are available on Epic. I can probably go further back, but "last 10" sounds good enough for now. In fact, I made some test searches on the Epic website to confirm that their search function can indeed find games by title, because it does raise suspicion if every search comes back empty.

I've only tried a few of those on GOG; some surprised me because they aren't there, while others surprised me because they were there. Regardless of what the actual number might be, GoG covers more than 0 of those games.
Última edición por Kargor; 10 ENE 2020 a las 5:36 p. m.
Nepgear 10 ENE 2020 a las 6:44 p. m. 
Isn't this just the same as when EA used to give out free games over on Origin? Where'd that get them?
Gambit-3k 10 ENE 2020 a las 7:57 p. m. 
Valve is trying to innovate, Epic is trying to manipulate.

The future may be different, but that's the case right now. I say take the free stuff while you can though, because it won't last forever.
WhiteKnight 10 ENE 2020 a las 8:23 p. m. 
The day Epic overthrows Steam has DD is the day i will throw my pc on fire and get a console. Epic Games are the scums of gaming industry.
Spud the Spud 10 ENE 2020 a las 8:29 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
As someone who values Steam's privacy agreements over Epic's and others, and as a major Steam business fanboy, I believe we (the users) should start suggesting more and more for Business improvements such as the ones Epic is employing.

Steam already had a far superior product. Forums, review section, workshop, cloud saves, etc. However, Valve has decided to take a fat dump all over it's customers by inflicting this library downgrade upon us. You want a suggestion for an improved business practice? How about listening to the customers, Valve does NOT do that. The library beta started something like 8 months ago, iirc. Since then, in the beta forum nearly all of the feedback was negative. Then it was pushed to the rest of us. Nearly all of that feedback was negative. Valve has not responded or interacted with the customers in any way regarding these changes. As such, many including myself no longer buy games here.

The only people who can put Valve out of business or make another game store the new market leader are the people who work at Valve. But they're working pretty damn hard at it, and driving customers away.
leadmecca 11 ENE 2020 a las 3:08 a. m. 
So... OP wants... Valve to give away billions in free games and... buy out developers and control the market with a Trillion+ $$$ piggy bank while banning, censoring and exclusively controlling gamers and the industry?

Yeah... I don't see it happening. Valve is just leaps and bounds ahead in everything as been stated. Long as Valve protects my investment which I hope... maybe, I'm in their corner.
ReBoot 11 ENE 2020 a las 3:36 a. m. 
Steam is well-alive & kicking. What's the matter?
Crazy Tiger 11 ENE 2020 a las 5:29 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
This might already be elsewhere, and don't take me wrong, i don't give a flying **** about free stuff, but if things go as they are right now, it won't take many years for other companies, such as Epic (mostly), to overthrow Steam as the greatest digital distribution system online.

I've been redeeming, on and off, the daily/weekly freebies on Epic, when i remember (which happens rarely) and I have already amassed quite a considerable collection, and with some impressive titles among them, and obviously that got me thinking and considering the speed of things.

As someone who values Steam's privacy agreements over Epic's and others, and as a major Steam business fanboy, I believe we (the users) should start suggesting more and more for Business improvements such as the ones Epic is employing. Not only because it is great for us but also, for Valve itself.

Thoughts?
Can you please tell me how to read your post as something other than...

1. Epic gives away free games
2. I think highly of the games it's given me
3. therefore, I think it's doing better than Steam
4. but I'm used to liking Steam more
5. so Steam should offer for free as many games and as highly-regarded games as Epic is offering for free
?
Yep, it's merely a cry for free games. Essentially it is "I say I don't care about free stuff, BUT I WANT IT!!!"
Hugo Strange 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:11 a. m. 
So, to state the obvious (which seems to be needed around here) Tencent, almost owns Epic, which owns Unreal, which (over the last few years) has been getting injected with millions over millions of dollars for investment, by very serious market names such as Disney, well Tencent ofc, and many many others.

While some might argue that the later hyper agressive strategies aren't "sustainable", they actually are due to the ever changing terms of agreement regarding not only the distribution but also the development such as independent development of digital games and how these are affected. The sooner you realize that, the better, as Valve's reign isn't ironclad, no matter how much we all wish for it to be (looking at you microtransactions based strategies).

While you were bickering among yourselves to see who was able to criticize better what you think is a cry for "free stufz pl0x", you could have focused on the real point, which is written as "please, suggest possible business improvements that you think might be pertinent" for Valve's sake, and for the user's sake, and nothing more. If you have no understanding of how digital business works and are here just for trolling or flaming bs, please, get out of this discussion.

For better understanding, please look away from the mirrors for a second, and learn the difference between an attempt to suggest new practices over copying other businesses practices.

Última edición por Hugo Strange; 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:20 a. m.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:17 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
Apparently, everybody thinks of themselves to highly to understand the point of my initial post, and merely understood it as some kids cry for "i want free stuff" or "i like the freebies they gib so it's better".

So, to state the obvious (which seems to be needed around here) Tencent, almost owns Epic, which owns Unreal, which (over the last few years) has been getting injected with millions over millions of dollars for investment, by very serious market names such as Disney, well Tencent ofc, and many many others.

While some might argue that the later hyper agressive strategies aren't "sustainable", they actually are due to the ever changing terms of agreement regarding not only the distribution but also the development such as independent development of digital games and how these are affected. The sooner you realize that, the better, as Valve's reign isn't ironclad, no matter how much we all wish for it to be (looking at you microtransactions based strategies).

While you were bickering among yourselves to see who was able to criticize better what you think is a cry for "free stufz pl0x", you could have focused on the real point, which is written as "please, suggest possible business improvements that you think might be pertinent" for Valve's sake, and for the user's sake, and nothing more. If you have no understanding of how digital business works and are here just for trolling or flaming bs, please, get out.

For better understanding, please learn the difference between an attempt to suggest new practices over copying other businesses practices.

How about reading the many other huge mega threads on the topic from last year first. Everything that needs to be said was done so a while ago.

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Crazy Tiger 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
Tencent, almost owns Epic
They don't. They have owned the same amount of shares, 40%, for years now.

Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
While some might argue that the later hyper agressive strategies aren't "sustainable",
Except that burning money like Epic does actually isn't sustainable. It's all based on gaining a foothold, just like Microsoft did with it's Xbox console and EA did with Origin.

Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
"please, suggest possible business improvements that you think might be pertinent" for Valve's sake, and for the user's sake, and nothing more.
That still warrants the question "is that necessary"? A question you still haven't answered.

And to be fair, if your OP is mostly about free games (reread your OP and Quints post, it really matches), of course people are going to say things about that.

Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
are here just for trolling or flaming bs, please, get out of this discussion.
Firstly, that people don't agree with your stance does not mean they're trolling orflaming. They simply disagree.
Secondly, you don't get to decide who participates in a discussion and what they are allowed to say.

Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
For better understanding, please take your heads out of your ***** for a second, and learn the difference between an attempt to suggest new practices over copying other businesses practices.
Then next time make your OP more clear on the matter. As others also have stated and picked up, your OP mostly seems to be a rant wanting more free games.
cinedine 11 ENE 2020 a las 9:34 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
For better understanding, please look away from the mirrors for a second, and learn the difference between an attempt to suggest new practices over copying other businesses practices.

Excpet
Publicado originalmente por Hugo Strange:
Business improvements such as the ones Epic is employing

The only improvement they do is giving away free stuff.
Else they have a terrible business practice. They burn money to make themselves more attratcive to customers and ruin the competition, demanding to lower their cut. While they themselves cannot even sustain their low cut - as has been evidenced by passing on payment fees to the customers.

There is nothing to learn from how Epic runs their shop.
Brian9824 11 ENE 2020 a las 10:25 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Kelthorian:
Have you seen Artifact? Did it look like Valve were listening to the sighs of disappointment when it was revealed?

They tried something new and it didn't work well, you'd be hard pressed to find a company that hasn't had the exact same thing. Fortnite has done a bunch of changes people haven't liked too for instance

Publicado originalmente por Kelthorian:
How about the library update that flooded the forums with complaints for the next few weeks? Was that addressed? Do people have the option to switch back?

Nope, and they never will. Just like the friends list changes from years ago a vocal minority don't like it, and you know what? Nothing has changed for steam. No matter what change you do some people won't like it. That's a fact of life

Publicado originalmente por Kelthorian:
Did people and I mean a MAJORITY of people ask for a VR non-sequel Half Life game? Pretty sure the general consensus was always "Give us Half Life 3".

Perhaps not, but Valve wants to get into more of a VR market and its a good way to sell their equipment and get into the market.


Publicado originalmente por Kelthorian:
When did people ask for negative reviews to be soft censored by DEFAULT?? Did valve do the same when many asked about the Assasin's Creed Notre Dame meme reviews? I'm pretty sure they excused themselves with a non disclosed magical % number that those positive review bombs didn't supposedly reach and shut-off any other discussion about it.

Actually people have been asking for years for something to be done about review bombs and again its something thats barely used except in the most extreme cases and is optional. Plus you know what, those who don't like it......ignored it and nothing changed. DESPITE their vocal outcry, threats to leave, etc.



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