Steam does ask suddenly for ID, if I want to buy a game?

[Blitzwing]

Its very odd, just yesterday I could simply buy games, now it does ask for ID?
like where you life and phone number

Update 27.01.2020
Here is the proof, what steam does request now.
https://imgur.com/a/BPV7ZG8

Some people do "guess" its due to new laws in USA, but I do life in Germany.

There is still no official statement from Steam.

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por Zetikla:

I know it has been probably said but the title is kinda misleading

asking for payment informations/billing adress is not equal to ask for an ID. Asking for ID would imply that Valve is asking for a scanned copy of your passport/drivers license/ etc except this isnt the case here.

Also to all those people freaking out over data that pretty much every other payment providers /online stores would ask you for checkout during credit card, do you happen to use Google/ Microsoft services by any chance?

Because the latter have much more interest in monetising your private data than a privately owned business

Exactly.

I think this is just a case of people freaking out at the unusual and not paying attention to the normal or they'd realise they already give this data away.

[Γαῖα]

Publicado originalmente por Zetikla:

I know it has been probably said but the title is kinda misleading

asking for payment informations/billing adress is not equal to ask for an ID. Asking for ID would imply that Valve is asking for a scanned copy of your passport/drivers license/ etc except this isnt the case here.

Also to all those people freaking out over data that pretty much every other payment providers /online stores would ask you for checkout during credit card, do you happen to use Google/ Microsoft services by any chance?

Because the latter have much more interest in monetising your private data than a privately owned business

All a passport or driving licence is, is an accepted expedient method of proof granted by an office of government to attest you are who you say you are in reference to said material. It does not make any honest admission by you of your name and location any less a fact of reality and as such does not make such an admission any less personal in the eyes of the law.

“Personal data” means any information relating to an identified or identifiable living individual.

“Identifiable living individual” means a living individual who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to—

(a)an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data or an online identifier, or

(b)one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of the individual.

Granted steam isnt now but can you tell us what happens in the event that one of the tax authorities questions the authenticity of a particular account or two ?

Can you demonstrate where steam has officially informed all members of steam what will happen in the event of this occurring or made any assurances that it wont ?

[endrsgm]

Publicado originalmente por Zetikla:

people freaking out over data that pretty much every other payment providers /online stores would ask you for checkout during credit card, do you happen to use Google/ Microsoft services by any chance?

except i use steam wallet cards which were paid for at the point of purchase and since steam knows
1: which country i got the steam card in
2: which country i say i live in
3: which country my ip address is from

steam needs 2 data points, maybe 3 if one is contradictory.

since i am not using a credit card please explain WHY steam has the right to ask for this. according to the eu regulations if you dont have a legitimate reason to ask then you cant.

the onus isnt on me to prove steam doesnt need it. the onus is on steam to prove they do. so far they have utterly failed to do so.

[Claus]

Is it after or before you complete payment ? i get no such thing in Denmark. I will never give my real info online to any website no matter who it is, if anyone require it i stop using it.

Even if it was fort knox i would still not give it out.

[endrsgm]

its in the payment stage. even using wallet funds it cant be completed without filling this in.

and bingo.
my wallet funds are at 1 cent. i am not putting more in until this changes.

[Claus]

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

its in the payment stage. even using wallet funds it cant be completed without filling this in.

I use paypal, i have never given them any of my info, even if they ask for it mate, with the best of conscience, i would put in fake info just make sure it is the same country as they can ban you otherwise.

Also make sure you use a different adress and city, i often just find a random adress and locate its post number online, i sleep well at night knowing i'm keeping myself hidden online, you can't google my name only a identical one.

When you make a email, for many it's natural to sign up to things from bank or sources you trust, you would never imagine they sell your information, but sadly they do, even paypal do it.

I have a email that has never been used to sign up and guess what it has 0 spam mail. My point is if you want your info to be hidden you gotta be smart, nobody can be trusted.

[endrsgm]

same here. more i have emails i use for different types of things.
one email to rule/recover them all that isnt used for anything else.
one email for family and friends.
one email for work stuff.
one email for signing up for things online.
this last one gets spam. its actually easy to tell whos selling your stuff via this.

[DevaVictrix]

With a over a thousand replies I guess this email get have been sad already - I'm in the UK and have had to give that info for purchases ever since I signed up to steam, and evwry other website ive been on.

There are lots of posts about tax (which I suppose does come into it) but I also thought you have to give that info for security... you always have to give the address and name as it appears on the card when doing purchases online or over the phone. I think it's more the postcode and house number they want.

[endrsgm]

if you use a credit card its normal to give that. because you are proving your right to use that credit card.
but for a wallet code?

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por DevaVictrix:

With a over a thousand replies I guess this email get have been sad already - I'm in the UK and have had to give that info for purchases ever since I signed up to steam, and evwry other website ive been on.

There are lots of posts about tax (which I suppose does come into it) but I also thought you have to give that info for security... you always have to give the address and name as it appears on the card when doing purchases online or over the phone. I think it's more the postcode and house number they want.

And just to be clear, your postcode and house number are also included in that payment data too.

Personally, I've never understood the fuss from a British point of view. It might be different on the other side of the pond. From what I've seen of american big businesses and government, they're astonishingly corrupt so I can get the lack of trust there.

For myself, I've not been wildly throwing my info out there, but I haven't been hiding it either.

I signed up to the Telephone Preference Service and the mail version years ago, and I never get spam mail, spam phone calls, nor emails either.

I guess I'm speaking from a priviliged position in that regard.

[endrsgm]

it's all corrupt. Britain is no different.

corporations and politicians abuse you just as much. you might not notice it but the ones who voted brexit sure are still waiting, as an example.

[Γαῖα]

Publicado originalmente por DevaVictrix:

With a over a thousand replies I guess this email get have been sad already - I'm in the UK and have had to give that info for purchases ever since I signed up to steam, and evwry other website ive been on.

There are lots of posts about tax (which I suppose does come into it) but I also thought you have to give that info for security... you always have to give the address and name as it appears on the card when doing purchases online or over the phone. I think it's more the postcode and house number they want.

Interesting as i am also in the UK and have never been asked my address over the phone when making a card payment not that i would mind if they did when its in the same country im buying from and the small print states its just for security verification purposes.
Its always been long card number, name on card, sort code, expiry data and the last three digits of the number on the back of the card. I did it just recently

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

it's all corrupt. Britain is no different.

corporations and politicians abuse you just as much. you might not notice it but the ones who voted brexit sure are still waiting, as an example.

Sweeping bloody nonsense.

It's not ALL corrupt at all. And America is demonstrably worse on this one issue as even your consumer laws are lacking compared to most of the western world (not to even mention that you and ONE other country in the whole world do this barbaric paid for healthcare).

Is there a lot? Sure. But making childish statements like it's ALL like that is so far fetched that's quite a burden of proof you've set up for yourself.

So, demonstrate it's ALL corrupt over here. Demonstrate that the ombudsmen and watchdogs aare doing nothing and that when I was a legal advisor (before I retired) I was just conning people.

You seem to delight in making the most bizarre statements and then not fulfilling your burden of proof.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Publicado originalmente por crunchyfrog:

Sweeping bloody nonsense.

Nothing new, he said time ago he will leave the forums, and he still keep this going.

[mcc]

Publicado originalmente por Claus:

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

its in the payment stage. even using wallet funds it cant be completed without filling this in.

I use paypal, i have never given them any of my info, even if they ask for it mate, with the best of conscience, i would put in fake info just make sure it is the same country as they can ban you otherwise.

If u did pay games with PayPal on Steam u have already given them the data.
This is why u don't have 2 fill in the data when u buy via PayPal.