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Why can't wallet funds be used to purchase digital gift cards?
Steam introduced physical gift cards (which are awesome!), so that you can put funds in your steam wallet without giving your banking information.
I can use these funds to buy games and gift them to my friends (again awesome!).
But what I cannot do, is buy digital gift cards for my friends using my wallet funds? Why not?

Why do I have to give steam my banking information, if I want to put funds into a friends wallet, but not when I put them into my own?
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cinedine Jan 22, 2020 @ 9:51am 
So you cannot transfer money between multiple accounts starting from a hijacked account.
KalGimpa Jan 22, 2020 @ 9:52am 
somebody got your info when you bought the card. either amazon or the store at which you bought it.

if you buy one through steam, they will need the cc info to charge.

unless you mean using leftover money already there. in which case i don't see why not

edit:@cinedine gave a very good one :)
Last edited by KalGimpa; Jan 22, 2020 @ 9:52am
Anonymous Helper Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:02am 
also to prevent money laundering
76561198034531618 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:03am 
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P

I can imagine wanting to stop money transfers, but since the money is already in the steam infrastructure and can't be cashed out, what is the difference between transferring money to another account and gifting games to it. In both cases Steam can remove the game/funds and restore the funds to the original account...
Brian9824 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:06am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P

I can imagine wanting to stop money transfers, but since the money is already in the steam infrastructure and can't be cashed out, what is the difference between transferring money to another account and gifting games to it. In both cases Steam can remove the game/funds and restore the funds to the original account...

It's basically a giftcard, and its pretty standard to not be able to buy giftcards with giftcards.

Again though its also to protect accounts. So people can't steal an account and then take all your money, and to prevent money laundering.
ReBoot Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P
That still requires you to have money as opposed to Steam wallet funds.
KalGimpa Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P

I can imagine wanting to stop money transfers, but since the money is already in the steam infrastructure and can't be cashed out, what is the difference between transferring money to another account and gifting games to it. In both cases Steam can remove the game/funds and restore the funds to the original account...

as cinedine stated, it stops scammers from transferring money to other accounts.
76561198034531618 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P

I can imagine wanting to stop money transfers, but since the money is already in the steam infrastructure and can't be cashed out, what is the difference between transferring money to another account and gifting games to it. In both cases Steam can remove the game/funds and restore the funds to the original account...

It's basically a giftcard, and its pretty standard to not be able to buy giftcards with giftcards.

Again though its also to protect accounts. So people can't steal an account and then take all your money, and to prevent money laundering.

Most websites you can buy digital gift cards with money from physical gift cards, though...



Originally posted by ReBoot:
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
I can just walk into a store and buy a physical gift card while wearing a balaclava, no info necessary :P
That still requires you to have money as opposed to Steam wallet funds.
Wallet funds are money over which Steam has full control... Wouldn't that argue in favour of buying digital gift cards with wallet funds?
ReBoot Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
Originally posted by brian9824:

It's basically a giftcard, and its pretty standard to not be able to buy giftcards with giftcards.

Again though its also to protect accounts. So people can't steal an account and then take all your money, and to prevent money laundering.

Most websites you can buy digital gift cards with money from physical gift cards, though...



Originally posted by ReBoot:
That still requires you to have money as opposed to Steam wallet funds.
Wallet funds are money over which Steam has full control... Wouldn't that argue in favour of buying digital gift cards with wallet funds?
Have you REALLY never heard of the concept of money laundering? Any system allowing people to move funds inside the system will have huge issues, both with people abusing it and with legal regulations. By not allowing people to move funds within the system, such problems are avoided.

That, and you still ignore the topic of hijacked accounts.
76561198034531618 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:

Most websites you can buy digital gift cards with money from physical gift cards, though...




Wallet funds are money over which Steam has full control... Wouldn't that argue in favour of buying digital gift cards with wallet funds?
Have you REALLY never heard of the concept of money laundering? Any system allowing people to move funds inside the system will have huge issues, both with people abusing it and with legal regulations. By not allowing people to move funds within the system, such problems are avoided.

That, and you still ignore the topic of hijacked accounts.

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?
ReBoot Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:30am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Have you REALLY never heard of the concept of money laundering? Any system allowing people to move funds inside the system will have huge issues, both with people abusing it and with legal regulations. By not allowing people to move funds within the system, such problems are avoided.

That, and you still ignore the topic of hijacked accounts.

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?
OK, you're right, I'm wrong and Valve only have the restriction to make you personally feel bad. There's no abuse, no legal issues, nothing.
76561198034531618 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?
OK, you're right, I'm wrong and Valve only have the restriction to make you personally feel bad. There's no abuse, no legal issues, nothing.
Don't be snippy or retarded. Come up with an answer that is consistent and stands holding up to empirical evidence.
Brian9824 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Have you REALLY never heard of the concept of money laundering? Any system allowing people to move funds inside the system will have huge issues, both with people abusing it and with legal regulations. By not allowing people to move funds within the system, such problems are avoided.

That, and you still ignore the topic of hijacked accounts.

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?

That's not money laundering......

Money laundering would be using a stolen credit card to add steam wallet funds, then using those funds to buy steam wallet codes and selling those wallet codes to people. Then when the stolen credit card funds are charged back they've already moved on with their laundered money leaving innocent people to pay.

It's also why they are cracking down on gifting games because those are used to launder money.
76561198034531618 Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?

That's not money laundering......

Money laundering would be using a stolen credit card to add steam wallet funds, then using those funds to buy steam wallet codes and selling those wallet codes to people. Then when the stolen credit card funds are charged back they've already moved on with their laundered money leaving innocent people to pay.

It's also why they are cracking down on gifting games because those are used to launder money.
Fair argument. But who on earth would be dumb enough to buy steam wallet funds like that? And why does steam care whether people get scammed outside of steam by buying dodgy ♥♥♥♥?
cinedine Jan 22, 2020 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by Kosmik Gopnik:
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Have you REALLY never heard of the concept of money laundering? Any system allowing people to move funds inside the system will have huge issues, both with people abusing it and with legal regulations. By not allowing people to move funds within the system, such problems are avoided.

That, and you still ignore the topic of hijacked accounts.

No this doesn't matter. Accounts can still be hijacked and their funds depleted to gift games to other accounts. Moving money inside the infrastructure controlled by steam -- with no way to cash out -- is no more money laundering than that. If that is laundering, then why can you purchase gifts with wallet funds instead of bank?

You can cash-out money. Just not by means provided by Steam itself.
You seem to be very naive when it comes to criminal minds (which isn't a bad thing). The people did is hijacking an account, buying stuff from the market, distributing it across several other accounts multiple times until it goes to the end account which uses a third party site to sell the items against outside money. Steam already made this unattractive by slapping market purchases with a trade and market cooldown. They could do the same with having gift cards in pending state but that would be just as inconvinient to many.
Another way is using the Steam wallet money to send money and later chargeback on the Steam wallet funding.

As a rule of thumb: every single restriction is meant to inconvinience or deny criminal actors. The argument of "there will be some anywhere" doesn't hold up against "they are everywhere".
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