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[ReBoot]

Originally posted by 123:

Id like to know a answer from valve/steam on what they think of a developer that runs battleeye and vac that allows cheating on their official servers (not player ran).

Two things about VAC
1. Delayed bans. Even if the developer uses it properly (see blow), you may see detected cheats on VAC-protected servers.
2. VAC is a tool that has to be used. A developer can't just slap VAC into a game and consider it done. I know that CoD MW2 gathered quite the controversy due to being littered with cheaters due to Activision treating VAC as an insurance (as in "sign up and don't care about anything afterwards).

AFAIK 2 applies to BE as well. Your beef is with the developers, they're the ones not giving a toot about cheaters.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by 123:

Id like to know a answer from valve/steam on what they think of a developer that runs battleeye and vac that allows cheating on their official servers (not player ran).

Unless it's one of Valve's own games, there is no reason for Valve to care about it.

You won't get an answer from Valve, this is a user forum.

[Count_Dandyman]

Obviously whatever method is being used to build under the map isn't something that either VAC or Battleeye are configured to detect or issue bans for. After all they work by detecting modified files and suspicous synchronisation data not by detecting if someone went through a hole the devs left in the world.

[Satoru]

Do not confuse

“They are not banning a particular cheater I see”

With

“They allow cheaters”

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by 123:

Anyone know of any ideas of what could be done in this sort of matter?

Couple options.
0. Ask them kindly to do something
1. Run an own server and ban cheaters
2. Pay the developers enough money to get them interested in maintaining the game properly
3. Pay the developers enough money to buy the rights and maintain it properly yourself
4. Then the lame'ish options. Start a petition, collect signatures, draw attention.

Originally posted by 123:

As for why i thought valve may have something to say since the game was launched on steam.

When you buy a BD player from Best Buy, it's not their job to maintain the product. It's their job to sell you the product, everything else is between you & the makers of said BD player.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Satoru:

Do not confuse

“They are not banning a particular cheater I see”

With

“They allow cheaters”

Doing nothing seems to allow them imo. They refuse to do anything since its a "legacy server" yet still do nothing about widespread cheating on them . It seems they got their favorites (there was a big controversy awhile back about devs not banning a cheating group that had lots of evidence proving so as they had devs/admins in their group on an officialserver .

Wait. Legacy server? As in a server running old, or otherwise outdated versions of the client, server software?

Does the problem you see persist on new/up-to-date servers?

Anyone know of any ideas of what could be done in this sort of matter?

Nothing. Devs/Publishers game.

As for why i thought valve may have something to say since the game was launched on steam.

Yeah they don't.

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by 123:

As for why i thought valve may have something to say since the game was launched on steam.

Yeah they don't.

Its more accurate to say Valve reply will be the same one they always give when asked about things like this.

"As long as it's not illegal or breaking one of the very few rules we have about devs behaviour they are free to do what they want and make whatever rulings they want about whats allowed in their game."

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Satoru:

Do not confuse

“They are not banning a particular cheater I see”

With

“They allow cheaters”

Doing nothing seems to allow them imo. They refuse to do anything since its a "legacy server"

Perfectly logical, they've already fixed the issue most likely on the most recent version so if people want to use glitches and stuff on old servers theres nothing they can do to stop people.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Wait. Legacy server? As in a server running old, or otherwise outdated versions of the client, server software?

Does the problem you see persist on new/up-to-date servers?


Nothing. Devs/Publishers game.


Yeah they don't.

The servers are up to date with the rest of the network , they call them "legacy" purely due to the fact they abandoned those servers to start up new servers which makes no sense tbh . The versions are identical on new and "legacy" servers and both carry the "official server" name which the devs host so it should not matter where the cheating is occuring .

It would help if you posted game name, but it makes perfect sense, normally servers get wiped, so it sounds like they decided to let people keep playing on those older servers rather then wipe them and enforce rules.

So just play on an official server thats being supported or host your own. It's their game and their rules.

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Wait. Legacy server? As in a server running old, or otherwise outdated versions of the client, server software?

Does the problem you see persist on new/up-to-date servers?


Nothing. Devs/Publishers game.


Yeah they don't.

The servers are up to date with the rest of the network , they call them "legacy" purely due to the fact they abandoned those servers to start up new servers which makes no sense tbh . The versions are identical on new and "legacy" servers and both carry the "official server" name which the devs host so it should not matter where the cheating is occuring .

"Legacy" may just as well mean "We've started this but have no intentions whatever to maintain it". One way or another, you should ask the developers of said game.

[Brian9824]

Basic search of your posts show its Ark.

Ark legacy servers were up during the alpha.
Official non legacy servers were up during launch, and the two clusters are separated do to fundamental differences between the game, leveling, progression, etc between official release and early access.

They even announced this before the change ever occured

"Important Customer Support Legacy Information
When the current servers become Legacy servers on the 29th, we will no longer offer Customer Support to these Legacy servers. All outstanding tickets to our Customer Support team will be wiped clean on launch day, and no future tickets submitted by those playing on Legacy servers will be accepted. Going forward our Customer Support team will be focused on assisting those present on the new cluster, which will not be plagued by many of the issues that occurred during the Early Access process. Unfortunately it is beyond the scope of our operation to continue to offer support on Legacy servers at this time."

Legacy servers will eventually be shut down completely.

[Satoru]

Again let me reiterate again because you seem to not be reading the posts you quote

Cheaters existing does not mean they allow cheaters

READ THIS Before quoting it

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by ReBoot:

"Legacy" may just as well mean "We've started this but have no intentions whatever to maintain it". One way or another, you should ask the developers of said game.

Ive sent in tickets which they refuse to answer since last november ! .

Originally posted by brian9824:

Basic search of your posts show its Ark.

Ark legacy servers were up during the alpha.
Official non legacy servers were up during launch, and the two clusters are separated do to fundamental differences between the game, leveling, progression, etc between official release and early access.

They even announced this before the change ever occured



Legacy servers will eventually be shut down completely.

The game plays the same on legacy and normal servers , ive yet to notice any differences between the two when playing. I play on both but have 95% of time invested in now legacy (3500 at least on legacy) and rarely ever play on new servers.

Ive even put in a non legacy server to get a answer out of them which they still still havent answered me .

Looks like you simply need to switch. The OFFICIAL announcement is rather explicit. Play on the new cluster. Really, read the official announcement, it reads like "We don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about legacy servers, what's going on on legacy servers or the ones playing on those legacy servers".

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Satoru:

Again let me reiterate again because you seem to not be reading the posts you quote

Cheaters existing does not mean they allow cheaters

READ THIS Before quoting it

Well actually they have implied they don't care if people cheat on those servers because they are old, glitchy, and are going to be taken down eventually. They won't even accept a support ticket.

Again though, in this context of WHAT those legacy servers are it makes perfect sense as the characters on them have been there during early access with many changes that have occurred and the alternative would be to wipe all the chars.

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Satoru:

Again let me reiterate again because you seem to not be reading the posts you quote

Cheaters existing does not mean they allow cheaters

READ THIS Before quoting it

I understood what you meant , i take their inactivity means they allow it for some as they have banned the last set of cheaters i found fairly recently so their still supporting it just being selective on it for some reason.

They're not supporting it, they simply don't care. Huge difference. Don't care about legacy servers, that is.