Why is there no offical responses about the anime game bans?

[LogicalPoint]

There has been issues on Steam in which they have been banning anime games or putting them on perminant review hold. There is some evidence that suggests that it was some rouge employees who have a hatred towards eastern games that are doing this. My question is why Steam hasn't made any offical responses or actions towards this issue. Do they really care so little for smaller eastern developers?

[The nameless Gamer]

Unless "Bloom" and "What?! My neighbours are demons?" don't get hit by the ban-hammer, my axe of war remains burried. Much as I loved "A kiss for the petals - Maidens of Michael", I'm getting weary of school settings. Adult characters for adult themes, please.

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:

Unless "Bloom" and "What?! My neighbours are demons?" don't get hit by the ban-hammer, my axe of war remains burried. Much as I loved "A kiss for the petals - Maidens of Michael", I'm getting weary of school settings. Adult characters for adult themes, please.

it honestly appears that after the PayPal incident, Maidens of Michael never reapplied and instead just opted for GoG (as many developers do prefer GoG over Steam).. after all, the previous game in the series is still on here last U checked

[north]

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar. Remember the guy who banned Hatred from Greenlight? Then based Gabe Newell brought it back and confirmed Hatred is a kick ass game for bad ass dudes. I bet the poor guy who tried to get Hatred banned did not show his face at Valve HQ ever again. Sadly in this case Gabe prefers MLP to anime so he won't take our side. He should though because flat chest =/= pedo bait. I dunno why any girl without huge boobs has to be underaged, its like these people never saw a skinny person in their life

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar. Remember the guy who banned Hatred from Greenlight? Then based Gabe Newell brought it back and confirmed Hatred is a kick ass game for bad ass dudes.

I bet the poor guy who tried to get Hatred banned did not show his face at Valve HQ ever again.

He's still there. See its not that he did anything wrong, it was more likely the guy that allowed Hatred to get into Greenlight in the first place that got the dirty looks.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar.

As was asked earlier in this thread, provide proof for claims like that.

[north]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar.

As was asked earlier in this thread, provide proof for claims like that.

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar. Remember the guy who banned Hatred from Greenlight? Then based Gabe Newell brought it back and confirmed Hatred is a kick ass game for bad ass dudes. I bet the poor guy who tried to get Hatred banned did not show his face at Valve HQ ever again. Sadly in this case Gabe prefers MLP to anime so he won't take our side. He should though because flat chest =/= pedo bait. I dunno why any girl without huge boobs has to be underaged, its like these people never saw a skinny person in their life

umm no, you realize companies have activity logs, permission levels, partner oversight.. with all the people complaining if it was a "rogue employee" they would have been found and terminated, as that is what companies do to employees who act on their own accord against the companies best interests..

and no flat chested =/= pedo bait, a character clearly meant to represent a minor however..


Maybe rather than instantly believe what this developer says because "but I like this kind of game", take a deep breath, clear your head, step back, take an unbiased view, and use your noggin.. the developers claims do not hold up to analysis..

tell you what though, if you actually believe the "rogue employee" fairytale:

https://www.valvesoftware.com/it/contact?contact-person=Gabe%20Newell

[e-mail]



Whether he likes the games or not if it was a "rogue employee" he would take action, because any employee acting in such a manner is harmful to the company.. heck he could hate the games, a person acting like that just to satisfy their personal tastes as a corporate liability and action would be taken

[cinedine]

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar. Remember the guy who banned Hatred from Greenlight? Then based Gabe Newell brought it back and confirmed Hatred is a kick ass game for bad ass dudes. I bet the poor guy who tried to get Hatred banned did not show his face at Valve HQ ever again.

Okay ...

First: this poor guy was Doug Lombardi or at least backed by him. Lombardi is the VP of Marketing at Valve.
Second: Gabe Newell never said anything about this game. He apologized and simply said "it wasn't a good decision [...] [we are] creating tools for content creators and customers." Which is the same approach they had with those anime games - make it possible for people to tune them out.
Third: Americans (in)famously have a completely different approach to sexual content than to violent content thanks to their cultural upbringing.

And now the kicker:
IF there were rogue employees and it was so obviously AND everybody knew their names ... did it ever occured to you tinfoil hat wearing weirdos that so would Valve? And if they made decissions not in accordance with the company's philosophy they would revert them? Like they did with Hatred?

Side note:
Hatred was a painfully mediocre game and if it weren't for the controversy around it, it would have been forgotten already.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por north:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

As was asked earlier in this thread, provide proof for claims like that.

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

You assume alot.

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

Publicado originalmente por north:

There are rogue employees as Valve that do what they want and hope to fly under the radar. Remember the guy who banned Hatred from Greenlight? Then based Gabe Newell brought it back and confirmed Hatred is a kick ass game for bad ass dudes. I bet the poor guy who tried to get Hatred banned did not show his face at Valve HQ ever again.

Okay ...

First: this poor guy was Doug Lombardi or at least backed by him. Lombardi is the VP of Marketing at Valve.
Second: Gabe Newell never said anything about this game. He apologized and simply said "it wasn't a good decision [...] [we are] creating tools for content creators and customers." Which is the same approach they had with those anime games - make it possible for people to tune them out.
Third: Americans (in)famously have a completely different approach to sexual content than to violent content thanks to their cultural upbringing.

And now the kicker:
IF there were rogue employees and it was so obviously AND everybody knew their names ... did it ever occured to you tinfoil hat wearing weirdos that so would Valve? And if they made decissions not in accordance with the company's philosophy they would revert them? Like they did with Hatred?

Side note:
Hatred was a painfully mediocre game and if it weren't for the controversy around it, it would have been forgotten already.

cinedine you forget, we are not allowed to bring logic into this discussion when it disproves their nonsensical claims :P

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por north:

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

You assume alot.

that was clear 3 threads ago..

[Midnight]

Publicado originalmente por north:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

As was asked earlier in this thread, provide proof for claims like that.

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

Both steamconspiracytheories.org and steamfakenews.org are available domains. Start saving your pocket money.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por north:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

As was asked earlier in this thread, provide proof for claims like that.

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

No, that is no proof that there are rogue employees. Actual proof can be verified with sources.

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por north:

I did provide proof. The guy who tried to ban Hatred which was then reversed a few days later when Gabe (the biggest cheese in all of Valve) found out about it. The guy trying to ban Hatred was keeping it on the quiet obviously. The proof is Gabe immediately reversing the decision and thanking the Hatred devs for their hard work.

No, that is no proof that there are rogue employees. Actual proof can be verified with sources.

although, the fact they see hearsay as "proof" may tell us why they believe the developers in this situation..

[north]

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

First: this poor guy was Doug Lombardi or at least backed by him. Lombardi is the VP of Marketing at Valve.

What's your point? Did the janitor or the security guard back him too? Why should the opinions of business support staff matter? I want to know what the most senior management think and we found out from Gabe what he thought

Second: Gabe Newell never said anything about this game. He apologized and simply said "it wasn't a good decision [...] [we are] creating tools for content creators and customers."

I don't know why you felt the need to chop the quote up when it takes like 3 seconds to google it and find what you are trying to hide. Here are direct quotes without cutting the parts that don't fit your agenda
" It turns out that it wasn’t a good decision, and we’ll be putting Hatred back up. My apologies to you and your team. " - Gabe
"“Good luck with your game.” - Gabe
Looks to me like Gabe Newell (head of Valve and a game developer rather than business support staff) was in supportive and in favor of Hatred

Third: Americans (in)famously have a completely different approach to sexual content than to violent content thanks to their cultural upbringing.

Yeah will agree to that. American audiences have weird puritanist values very different to most of the world. Perhaps they should release anime games but just block sale in USA? They do similar for violent games in Germant. If a certain audience has an irrational pedo panic, just don't let them play the game. The rest of us can enjoy ourselves

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

No, that is no proof that there are rogue employees. Actual proof can be verified with sources.

although, the fact they see hearsay as "proof" may tell us why they believe the developers in this situation..

Yep. Brings us back to the youtuber comment we discussed earlier. Perhaps we're getting old, seraph.

Publicado originalmente por north:

I don't know why you felt the need to chop the quote up when it takes like 3 seconds to google it and find what you are trying to hide. Here are direct quotes without cutting the parts that don't fit your agenda
" It turns out that it wasn’t a good decision, and we’ll be putting Hatred back up. My apologies to you and your team. " - Gabe
"“Good luck with your game.” - Gabe
Looks to me like Gabe Newell (head of Valve and a game developer rather than business support staff) was in supportive and in favor of Hatred

Again you're assuming. Gabe does not say that he is in favor of Hatred. All he said is that it wasn't a good decision. He does not state what the reason is that it isn't a good decision.