Why is there no offical responses about the anime game bans?

[LogicalPoint]

There has been issues on Steam in which they have been banning anime games or putting them on perminant review hold. There is some evidence that suggests that it was some rouge employees who have a hatred towards eastern games that are doing this. My question is why Steam hasn't made any offical responses or actions towards this issue. Do they really care so little for smaller eastern developers?

[Unknown Error]

Steam has had issues in the past with mature games regardless. It wasn't until there was a backlash with the game Hatred that they decided to review thier policy.

[Snapjak]

Sigh, no there aren't some "rogue employees" causing VNs to be banned. These are games that depict things that could be considered illegal in some countries so Steam pulls them from their store.


Search it up here if you want. There was a huge thread about this.

[LogicalPoint]

Originally posted by Snapjak:

Sigh, no there aren't some "rogue employees" causing VNs to be banned. These are games that depict things that could be considered illegal in some countries so Steam pulls them from their store.


Search it up here if you want. There was a huge thread about this.

Tons of games depict illegal things in some countries but Steam has never banned any in the past. None of the eastern games I have seen banned have illegal depictions in my country or any other country that I am aware of.

Based on the developers response they say Steam never gives them any reasonable answers for these bans. They simply give generic responses that go on for months.

Please link the thread that explains how these games are illegal in most countries and should be banned.

[Midnight]

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/12/steam-is-banning-sex-games-with-young-looking-characters/

[Midnight]

From that link:

"Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back."

So good luck getting an official response.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Midnight:

From that link:

"Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back."

So good luck getting an official response.

yes and Kotaku should know well enough that one does not talk about the business contracts one has with one's partners to randos.

The Devs know why their game was removed in most cases since they know exactly what lines they were trying to toe. Many won't admit to it of course because saying: "I thought i could get away with having/distributing kiddie port if..." tends not to generate sympathy.

[Pendy]

The last game that got banned was a VN where you play as a 13 year old trying to have sex with your sister. That might have something to do with it. I'm all for freedom in the market, but you can't keep pushing that boundary forever.

[LogicalPoint]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Midnight:

From that link:

"Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back."

So good luck getting an official response.

yes and Kotaku should know well enough that one does not talk about the business contracts one has with one's partners to randos.

The Devs know why their game was removed in most cases since they know exactly what lines they were trying to toe. Many won't admit to it of course because saying: "I thought i could get away with having/distributing kiddie port if..." tends not to generate sympathy.

Kotaku has been pro banning on loads of games. You litterally couldn't have picked a worse source than Kotaku. They are filled with extremeists I reccomend not trusting them as a source especially when it comes ot such topics.

I have looked into several of the banned games and none of them had any child pornography in them. You really need to look into the banned games yourself. No illegal content was listed in the games were presented.

Please keep the propoganda to a minium.

[LogicalPoint]

Originally posted by FF Dr. Pendenshmirtz:

The last game that got banned was a VN where you play as a 13 year old trying to have sex with your sister. That might have something to do with it. I'm all for freedom in the market, but you can't keep pushing that boundary forever.

As far as I am aware incest subtext isn't illegal to depict. Just look at Game of Thrones they get away with full blown incestous sex scenes with offspring as well. As I understnad it the game didn't go anywhere near that level of deviancy.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by LogicalPoint:

Kotaku has been pro banning on loads of games. You litterally couldn't have picked a worse source than Kotaku. They are filled with extremeists I reccomend not trusting them as a source especially when it comes ot such topics.

If you're right, you're not an extremist, you;re just right. Also if you had actuyally read what I said you'd understand that I was actually criticizing kotaku.

I have looked into several of the banned games and none of them had any child pornography in them. You really need to look into the banned games yourself. No illegal content was listed in the games were presented.

It's not only for child porn, but that's one of the more common lines the developers toe.

Just remember when it comes to laws an such, especially laws regarding pronography and depiction...smart devs do well to give such things a wide berth or get it appropriately rated and age-gated.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by LogicalPoint:

Kotaku has been pro banning on loads of games. You litterally couldn't have picked a worse source than Kotaku. They are filled with extremeists I reccomend not trusting them as a source especially when it comes ot such topics.

Please keep the propoganda to a minium.

You missed the point of the link (it was merely the first result in a 2-second google search). It's to illustrate that if Kotaku are absent an explanation, that it's unlikely you'll fare better.

In any case, it's still infinitely more reputable than the following specious remark:

Originally posted by LogicalPoint:

There is some evidence that suggests that it was some rouge employees who have a hatred towards eastern games that are doing this.

Where is this evidence that it's rogue employees?

[Start_Running]

There is none. but you know gamers, they need to imagine moustache twirling villains in dark rooms. All one needs to do to disprove this is to look at the many, many, many games that don't get removed.

[Midnight]

Consider this logical point logicalpoint (no, it's not a typo): Steam is a business platform, do you honestly believe they would allow a rogue element to ban games based on personal whims?

Profit is the great incentive for Steam NOT to allow rogue employees to undermine their business (meaning bans by rogue employees would be quickly overturned). Profit is also an incentive for the most logical reason for the bans: that Steam would rather not entangle itself with legally dubious material.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by LogicalPoint:

I have looked into several of the banned games and none of them had any child pornography in them. You really need to look into the banned games yourself. No illegal content was listed in the games were presented.

So you played them? The same versions that Valve rejected?

Or are you just going by what the developer claims?

Valve looked at the games as that is a requirement for them to get on Steam. They found something that was considered illegal and from what some of the developers have stated the response was, is for "Child Exploitation".

You can believe Valve or you can believe the developers. Either one is simply a matter of trust as neither offer any evidence and the developer only offer words.

If there is no issue and it only contains the same material as what other "Adult" games on Steam show, then it would be in Valve's interest to let them though, not to refuse them. Occam's razor would point to there being a legitimate concern stopping them from being approved.

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by LogicalPoint:

There is some evidence that suggests that it was some rouge employees who have a hatred towards eastern games that are doing this.

Where is this evidence that it's rogue employees?

It is an assumption from an article. Their only evidence is that the email recived by the developers only list the names of two Valve employees (the ones who informed the developers of the decision). Pure speculation and hyperbole from the article.

Valve doesn't work like that, they work in groups, so it would be the decision of a group of employees, not one or two.

Originally posted by Midnight:

Consider this logical point logicalpoint (no, it's not a typo): Steam is a business platform, do you honestly believe they would allow a rogue element to ban games based on personal whims?

Profit is the great incentive for Steam NOT to allow rogue employees to undermine their business (meaning bans by rogue employees would be quickly overturned). Profit is also an incentive for the most logical reason for the bans: that Steam would rather not entangle itself with legally dubious material.

Exactly.

[Blue Candle]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

There is none. but you know gamers, they need to imagine moustache twirling villains in dark rooms. All one needs to do to disprove this is to look at the many, many, many games that don't get removed.

Originally posted by Midnight:

Consider this logical point logicalpoint (no, it's not a typo): Steam is a business platform, do you honestly believe they would allow a rogue element to ban games based on personal whims?

Profit is the great incentive for Steam NOT to allow rogue employees to undermine their business (meaning bans by rogue employees would be quickly overturned). Profit is also an incentive for the most logical reason for the bans: that Steam would rather not entangle itself with legally dubious material.

Game companys and other buisnesses in general have done amazingly stupid stuff that made them lose profit based on bias. By the ways, not everyone can catch what every employee is doing.