Developers fee reduced

[Galenrandir]

With the recent news steam will be reducing the fee for developers the better the game sells...anyone think EA and others will start putting their games back on steam?

[Paratech2008]

My point was there is no benefit to the end user having a game on one site rather than on the Dev's site and Steam (and possibly GOG.)

Competition is good for end users, having sales on multiple sites, as Humble, GOG, Steam, etc have sales and the discounts aren't always the same. I've picked up a bunch of games in bundles cheap on Fanatical, Humble, etc, because the games were heavily discounted, whereas one company controlling the sale of their game won't receive discounts like that.

[Start_Running]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

My point was there is no benefit to the end user having a game on one site rather than on the Dev's site and Steam (and possibly GOG.)

Competition is good for end users, having sales on multiple sites, as Humble, GOG, Steam, etc have sales and the discounts aren't always the same. I've picked up a bunch of games in bundles cheap on Fanatical, Humble, etc, because the games were heavily discounted, whereas one company controlling the sale of their game won't receive discounts like that.

Fanatical has a different sales model and Humble basically counts as charity and it really only applies to their charity bundles. Never seen a discount in their regular store that wasn't worse or at best a match for the steam discounts.

[Paratech2008]

That's NOT the point. If the game is NO LONGER SOLD on Steam, it WILL NOT have ANY discounts like it did on Steam.

Because a game IS on Steam, means it might be BUNDLED with other games for a GOOD DISCOUNT.

I don't see Berthseda doing decent discounts on their games when you eith buy from them or don't get the game. I don't see that happening from any company that has exclusive rights to sell their games.

[Tito Shivan]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

That's NOT the point. If the game is NO LONGER SOLD on Steam, it WILL NOT have ANY discounts like it did on Steam.

It still can be sold on Steam and not have any relevant discount on it anyway.

Being on Steam isn't a warranty of discounts or sales.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

That's NOT the point. If the game is NO LONGER SOLD on Steam, it WILL NOT have ANY discounts like it did on Steam.

It still can be sold on Steam and not have any relevant discount on it anyway.

Being on Steam isn't a warranty of discounts or sales.

Exactly. Ex... Skyrim.

[Paratech2008]

Give examples of games NOT SOLD on Steam, Exclusive to a single site that gets bundled or gets good sales?

[Martin Harris]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

Give examples of games NOT SOLD on Steam, Exclusive to a single site that gets bundled or gets good sales?

Yeah, and thats the reason these big triple AAA games are not here.

[cinedine]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

Give examples of games NOT SOLD on Steam, Exclusive to a single site that gets bundled or gets good sales?

Origin does have bundles and the sales are not half bad.

And the 50 % off Fallout 76 doesn't count because reasons, I guess?

And once again: publishers set bundles and discounts on Steam. They can just decide not to do any sales anymore on Steam.

[ONe_mOMENT]

Escrito originalmente por Paratech2008:

Give examples of games NOT SOLD on Steam, Exclusive to a single site that gets bundled or gets good sales?

EA has had 2 bundles on humble bundle so far and Blizard have been in the monthly bundles twice now this year.

Also the EA holiday sales are just as decent as steams. Hell gog had some classics on with great discounts as well (they weren't available on steam) during Halloween.

Steam doesn't set the bar for sales. Maybe it use to but every service these days has 75%+ Off sales (except blizzard?).

[CitizenX3639]

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

[Reaper]

Escrito originalmente por CitizenX3639:

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

The fact you think 70/30 is standard in any industry is laughably stupid. Why would I buy a game on steam when I can buy it on humble and give 100% to the devs or 50/50 to devs and charity? Then valve doesn't get anything and why should they? Your answer just screams fanboy white knight.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Escrito originalmente por CitizenX3639:

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

Naw dog, we must listen to Youtubers, they speak on behalf all of us, the game devs, and all the other can companies.

I wonder if we can make Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo do the same too?
I'm being sarcastic.

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Escrito originalmente por CitizenX3639:

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

The fact you think 70/30 is standard in any industry is laughably stupid. Why would I buy a game on steam when I can buy it on humble and give 100% to the devs or 50/50 to devs and charity? Then valve doesn't get anything and why should they? Your answer just screams fanboy white knight.

1. You don't know what you're ranting about.
2. That's up to you if you want to buy from Steam, or somewhere else.
3. You may not get a better deal, depending what you're going for, or where you're buying it from.
4. If you only care about supporting 100% profilt directly to the developers, or charity, then you just limited yourself to where to buy from, congrats for realizing that just now after reading this.

[Winged One]

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Escrito originalmente por CitizenX3639:

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

The fact you think 70/30 is standard in any industry is laughably stupid. Why would I buy a game on steam when I can buy it on humble and give 100% to the devs or 50/50 to devs and charity? Then valve doesn't get anything and why should they? Your answer just screams fanboy white knight.

because Steam doesn't have any running costs right? it is run by homeless kittens and powered by rain water..

[Reaper]

Escrito originalmente por theseraph1:

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

The fact you think 70/30 is standard in any industry is laughably stupid. Why would I buy a game on steam when I can buy it on humble and give 100% to the devs or 50/50 to devs and charity? Then valve doesn't get anything and why should they? Your answer just screams fanboy white knight.

because Steam doesn't have any running costs right? it is run by homeless kittens and powered by rain water..

Steam makes literally millions A DAY just off skin sales alone, a product that costs them NOTHING. Saying they NEED a cut of sales to keep running is delusional. They're a business, but I won't feel bad when more publishers jump ship and indie devs give up with them if they want to keep choking out the smaller companies with their biased rules.

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Escrito originalmente por CitizenX3639:

I always laugh hearing Steam is taking to much blah blah from the ill informed. That is STANDARD practice across any industry 70/30 when selling your product. But hey a YT talking games knows much more.

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

The fact you think 70/30 is standard in any industry is laughably stupid. Why would I buy a game on steam when I can buy it on humble and give 100% to the devs or 50/50 to devs and charity? Then valve doesn't get anything and why should they? Your answer just screams fanboy white knight.

1. You don't know what you're ranting about.
2. That's up to you if you want to buy from Steam, or somewhere else.
3. You may not get a better deal, depending what you're going for, or where you're buying it from.
4. If you only care about supporting 100% profilt directly to the developers, or charity, then you just limited yourself to where to buy from, congrats for realizing that just now after reading this.

Humble has almost the same store size as Steam minus some indie asset flip trash that shouldn't even exist anyway. There's literally like 3 games in my library that I couldn't buy through them. If your excuse is that it's limiting to buy otuside of Steam, it's a really bad one.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Escrito originalmente por theseraph1:

because Steam doesn't have any running costs right? it is run by homeless kittens and powered by rain water..

Steam makes literally millions A DAY just off skin sales alone, a product that costs them NOTHING. Saying they NEED a cut of sales to keep running is delusional. They're a business, but I won't feel bad when more publishers jump ship and indie devs give up with them if they want to keep choking out the smaller companies with their biased rules.

Let see, 100+ servers must be free right? All that data storage must be free right? Some ghost managing the servers for free right? Having all that internet bandwidth in all those countries free right because why not? Having employees and don't have to pay them right? I don't believe they're making millions in a day because of skins sales alone, but I would believe if they were making it from total overall sales from games, movies, tv shows, etc, etc, and etc... But if you got a sales chart to back up your claim, do you mind sharing with me? I would like to know more of this, since you have insights on this, that none of us even have.

Escrito originalmente por FeaR_TH3_Reap3R:

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

1. You don't know what you're ranting about.
2. That's up to you if you want to buy from Steam, or somewhere else.
3. You may not get a better deal, depending what you're going for, or where you're buying it from.
4. If you only care about supporting 100% profilt directly to the developers, or charity, then you just limited yourself to where to buy from, congrats for realizing that just now after reading this.

Humble has almost the same store size as Steam minus some indie asset flip trash that shouldn't even exist anyway. There's literally like 3 games in my library that I couldn't buy through them. If your excuse is that it's limiting to buy otuside of Steam, it's a really bad one.

6k vs 28k.... I wouldn't use the word " some " Also I wouldn't know which 3 games you're referring to, as there's over 300+ games that were delisted / removed from store page.
My excuse? Sorry but as I stated you limited yourself to where your buy your games.

I can visit other bundle sites, and other retailers, that can have better deals, plus I wouldn't be limiting myself as to one as what you stated is basically only to Humble Bundle. You can choose where to buy from, and all that, but you're limiting yourself by only going to one.

Also just to add, it seem you have some kind of grudge agasint Steam, did you try going to other platforms instead? If you dislike Steam, or have a problem with Steam being a company, or having rights to make profit as a company, maybe go somewhere else??? Maybe GoG even though that may just upset you knowing they also do price cuts, same with Origin, Discord, and etc.... Pretty much Everyone doing a price cut on a Dev that wants to sell their games.