Profile Comments Now Censored even more than Public Forum Comments - WTF?!

[Pyramid Bread]

I think I understand the reasoning behind the decision, but the way it has been implemented does not make sense - which can be demonstrated simply.

In the forums, comments have been censored for as long as I can remember, but you can still see what the actual censored text is by clicking the 'quote reply' button. So basically in the PUBLIC forums you get the option to bypass the filter and see what the text is, but on my PRIVATE profile, I have no such means to bypass the filter and read the word.

If anything, it should be exactly the opposite way around - public forum censored words should not be viewable AT ALL (eg using the 'quote reply' button) if you truly wish to censor language, while private profile comments should have the option for viewing the word, since after all, it is not something that is being broadcast in a public forum.

Either Steam needs to implement rules that make actual sense (ie full censorship in public, partial in private), OR implement rules that are consistent.

If you can actually come up with a reasonable argument contrary to what I've just said, I'd sure like to hear it

[Pyramid Bread]

ReBoot původně napsal:

decadence původně napsal:

I've actually been for consistent censoring rules the whole 12 years. Across the board - forums, store pages, profiles and user content - I think that we should be able to choose whether what we see is censored or not, and I've commented about it many times in the past.

So then we can agree that applying the forum filtet to comments is far from bad and the only issue here are the remaining areas.

Not really. If we were given choice as to whether the content we saw was censored or not (the same way games have age-gates that essentially say 'are you mature enough to view this material?') then I'd say the issues are resolved.

[ReBoot]

decadence původně napsal:

ReBoot původně napsal:

So then we can agree that applying the forum filtet to comments is far from bad and the only issue here are the remaining areas.

Not really. If we were given choice as to whether the content we saw was censored or not (the same way games have age-gates that essentially say 'are you mature enough to view this material?') then I'd say the issues are resolved.

So for you, its about the choice and not about consistency afterall?

[Pyramid Bread]

ReBoot původně napsal:

decadence původně napsal:

Not really. If we were given choice as to whether the content we saw was censored or not (the same way games have age-gates that essentially say 'are you mature enough to view this material?') then I'd say the issues are resolved.

So for you, its about the choice and not about consistency afterall?

Is it not consistent for steam to ask users' decision before taking them to age-gated game pages (and community content), as well as to 'age-gated' language?

[ReBoot]

decadence původně napsal:

ReBoot původně napsal:

So for you, its about the choice and not about consistency afterall?

Is it not consistent for steam to ask users' decision before taking them to age-gated game pages (and community content), as well as to 'age-gated' language?

Thats a different topic entirely. (In)consistency between different areas and an option to bypass the filter are two very distinct topics, no matter any attempts to shoehorn the word "consistency" in to that other topic.

[Pyramid Bread]

ReBoot původně napsal:

decadence původně napsal:

Is it not consistent for steam to ask users' decision before taking them to age-gated game pages (and community content), as well as to 'age-gated' language?

Thats a different topic entirely. (In)consistency between different areas and an option to bypass the filter are two very distinct topics, no matter any attempts to shoehorn the word "consistency" in to that other topic.

It's not different at all. If you go to the community page for a game like House Party, before you can even look at it steam warns you "Content posted in this community may not be appropriate for all ages, or may not be appropriate for viewing at work."

It specifically states that there might be inappropriate or NSFW material (and btw, posting NSFW material to forums or profiles is actually against steam's TOS).

So steam are basically giving you the heads-up that 'hey, there might be stuff that violates our terms ahead, are you sure you want to see this stuff?'. They are explicitly giving people the choice whether or not to view inappropriate/NSFW material.

If they already do such a thing with content that might be inappropriate, how is that substantially different to, say, letting people know that there might be NSFW language and letting them decide to view it or not?

[ReBoot]

Thats a new topic again. And theres a key difference. The "problematic" content in this context is restricted to certain game hubs and whoever may feel offended, is free to ignore those games in the first place. The "problematic" content the thread is about isnt restricted in any way, every single profile may have it.
The difference between single game hubs and every single profile is kinda crass.

Now we have 3 topics. Consistency between different kinds of user-posted text, potential bypass options and, the third one, official content being potentially NFK.

My opinion on user text still remains, hardly an issue. Not a perfect situation, but better, than the alternatives. While the consistency issur is questionable indeed, lets see how this develops. Valve are known for reacting on issues so it looks like the profile comments filter is a reaction to verbal abuse in profile commwnts (which ive also been a victim of, by the way).
My opinion on the option is that im not against it, but i see ehy it isnt there.
My opinion on NFK game hubs is "so what". Sure, i also hage a couple of NFK games, but that doesnt automatically make rude language morally acceptable.

[Pyramid Bread]

ReBoot původně napsal:

theres a key difference. The "problematic" content in this context is restricted to certain game hubs and whoever may feel offended, is free to ignore those games in the first place.

Just replace 'game hubs' and 'games' in that sentence with 'user profiles'...

[ReBoot]

decadence původně napsal:

ReBoot původně napsal:

theres a key difference. The "problematic" content in this context is restricted to certain game hubs and whoever may feel offended, is free to ignore those games in the first place.

Just replace 'game hubs' and 'games' in that sentence with 'user profiles'...

So youre talking about an option for user profiles to mark them as cursr-free or cursing?

[Pyramid Bread]

ReBoot původně napsal:

decadence původně napsal:

Just replace 'game hubs' and 'games' in that sentence with 'user profiles'...

So youre talking about an option for user profiles to mark them as cursr-free or cursing?

Something along those lines

[ReBoot]

I supopse, you should take that to the suggestions forum. I for my part, will keep my profile polite, should this get implemented. I still expect people to address me in a manner that doesnt require excessive cursing.

[BlueStinger]

ReBoot původně napsal:

Some swearing has benefits.

I didn't read the thread after this so maybe you have already given an answer but i'm curious as to what the benefits of swearing are?

[TristanMike]

I just don't understand why there isn't a simple button to uncensor everything which requires an age verification, the same way one has to view a mature game.

[ReBoot]

BlueStinger původně napsal:

ReBoot původně napsal:

Some swearing has benefits.

I didn't read the thread after this so maybe you have already given an answer but i'm curious as to what the benefits of swearing are?

Just scroll up, theres a link. What I know from the top of my head is that cursing in fact improves your pain threshold. Vocalized cursing, mind you, forum posts dont count.

TristanMike původně napsal:

I just don't understand why there isn't a simple button to uncensor everything which requires an age verification, the same way one has to view a mature game.

I can imagine several possibilities. The main one being that all feaures start non-existing. Implementing a filter is way less work, than making it cuatomizable. That work better ♥♥♥♥ a purpose and heres the kicker: Whats the purpose? Apart from some principle pondering, there seems to be none.

[Lunacy]

I can't even read half my profile comments now, half of it is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[僕の名前 (仮)]

but you can still see what the actual censored text is by clicking the 'quote reply' button

I think that's bug.