PC gamers unite

[Sebree]

This goes without saying, every single gamer on Steam feels the same way about this scam "leasing" loophole that is being used for no other purpose but pure greed; has anyone ever heard of any other instance of paying money for a product they don't actually own? How is this legal? You guys must have OJ's lawyers. I want Post Scriptum; another user wants my Arma 3...what gives you the right to control the community and stifle trading? We both paid our money whats the big deal if we switched games. No wonder people pirate games; enjoy it while it lasts because I, along with many others, will not buy from Steam. These money grubbing greedy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are so sick that they wont even let you pass your steam account in the event of your passing, look it up! My fellow PC gamers come out of the shadows; if we all stand together they will have to address this nonsense. I'm from a time when you went to the store, paid money for a game, and actually owned the game; if we're just renting it then why are we paying full price? Console gamers are allowed to trade games but not loyal PC enthusiasts? Such a shame and a disgrace to say the least. I'm sure they'll delete this comment, but I'll continue to post and get as many people behind me as possible. It doesn't matter what you put in your con artist contract you can't charge full price, but give us half rights like children. You better fix this or a few years from now you'll be thinking about this post and how you should stay out of our business!

[Satoru]

There is no “we”

It’s just you

1) all software is licensed this has been the case since the beginning. You don’t own software because that has very specific meanings. If you’re going to whine at least educate yourself on the subject since now everything you say is basically coming from a false premise

2) console can trade games due to the massive friction of physical trading. Something that digital goods don’t have and as such are an entirely different issue

3) advocating piracy and spam is a great way to get banned on the forums. Enjoy

[J4MESOX4D]

You don't own the game, you own the digital licence on your Steam account. The same applies to console too - digital games are non-transferrable and account sharing is forbidden.

Do your homework next time before trying to form a band of brothers to violate the SSA YOU agreed to. Grammar needs work too.

[Sebree]

I'm an English major; do you think I give a crap about grammar on here? Listen to you two; so quick to defend them, what're you paid off? Have a little self respect. Don't you hear yourselves? That's all excuses they use to continue their scam. What do you mean "I don't own the game?" That is absurd; we paid our money just like the console gamer at Walmart; making an argument over it being digital is just a pathetic attempt to distract you away from the fact that you're paying your share and they're acting like gestapo; when you buy a song or album online do you not own it? Yes you most certainly do as long as you don't try to make money. You know PC gaming was around many years before Steam came along; who made them god? Don't you see how they slowly transitioned everything to digital to screw us all? I remember buying Rome 2 physical copy at Wal Mart and then having to research how to install it from the damn disc because it kept wanting to use the server. If you honestly believe that I am sorry for you and that is why they continue to walk all over us..and by the way there most definitely is a "we." Even Hitler had his yes men though... I'm not advocating piracy; their greed is! I don't pirate games because I like playing online. Do my homework? How about grow a pair; you try to make me look like the idiot when your parental style bullet points are a lot of words that say nothing. "You don’t own software because that has very specific meanings." Autistic. Of course you own the software in the form of that specific key or copy of the game; it's not like I'm wanting stock in the company or something. I guess Steam wins and everyone is too scared to say the truth.

[Sebree]

They let you do family sharing and trade a game that hasn't been "activated" like that even matters; it might as well be a gigantic pay to win Call of Duty pew pew shooter. Fools. If any of that was true then I wouldn't be able to trade my green man gaming games. Steam allows sharing and trading at their discretion and nothing more; there is no law against it. In fact if you did your homework you'd see it's the opposite. They're paying big money to keep their policy valid. How in the world did they get the legal right to stop you willing your account to someone if you die? That is just the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Crazy Tiger]

Because Steam is the only digital games store that sells only licenses? The Apple/Google/Windows/GOG store are completely different?

[Wolf Knight]

an English Major that writes walls of text?
Its a contract you agreed to, please seek legal advice from a real lawyer about the contract you signed.

[Sebree]

Does it look like I'm writing an article here? It's a dang comment section, not even a forum. I just don't see how you can say something so cowardice; "oh a contract you signed." Nobody signed anything; we wanted to play our games, we paid our money, and got taken advantage of. Listen to yourself; we need a lawyer now just to buy games? How about you seek "not being a pushover" advice. Just having a contract shows how corrupt they are. All they do is distribute games! They get a cut, but it should mostly be between us and the devs. I'm done; keep living in fantasy land, but there are plenty that will read this and realize they agree 100%. You act like I'm a bum or something; all I'm asking is to have a trading center where if both parties are willing, they can trade games that they paid for! This has been a staple of gaming since the beginning and they take it away?

[Crazy Tiger]

It has been a staple with physical games, yes. Digital works differently.

But so far it seems a rant towards Steam, so can you please answer my questions?

Messaggio originale di patje.lol:

Because Steam is the only digital games store that sells only licenses? The Apple/Google/Windows/GOG store are completely different?

[Sebree]

You are right sir, although I don't consider the truth a "rant", but call it what you want; this isn't complicated; maybe it seems like a rant against Steam because, hmm, they're the only store that has the audacity to charge you full retail price to borrow a game until you die; what is the sense in a game sitting in your library when someone else would love to play it and you would love to play something they have? That is part of the joy and beauty of gaming. I don't see a question to answer sir; what about mine? Why is Steam so special? Amazon, Wal Mart, Game Stop, any reputable company wouldn't be so defensive and greedy if you and another person wanted to trade a game you paid full price for. I really don't mean to argue; it's just clear as day to me and anyone else that isn't lying to themselves. "digital works differently"? You really can't tell me that makes any sense at all to you. Well I'll tell you one thing that is the same; your hard earned money being spent. If they want to police gaming like this then we should be paying a monthly subscription and allowed to download and "lease", as they put it, every game in the store!

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Sebree:

You know PC gaming was around many years before Steam came along

And you remember how it was back then? DRM measures not letting you play your game because of some other program you had. Activation limites that were not resetable in a time where hardware changes were far more frequent. Activation servers being shutdown.

Messaggio originale di Sebree:

we paid our money just like the console gamer at Walmart

No you did not.
At Walmart you buy the license and a physical media. You are free to do whatever you want with the later. Any activation code for games (look up Online Pass for example) is still locked to your account once activated.
Console games bought digital can also not be traded.

Messaggio originale di Sebree:

I'm an English major

Then learn how to use proper punctuation and paragraphs. And try to learn how to argue without resorting to personal insults every other sentence.

[Wolf Knight]

This is not a "Comments" section. This is a discussion forum.

Every game you install has a contract, or did you not notice the little pop up that requires you to click I AGREE before it installs?

You want to install ARMA 3, guess what, you have to sign a contract. GTA V? look, a contract. the contracts have different names, like TOS, TOU, TOA, EULA, SSA, etc. Click "I agree" or "I accept" and you are signing a contract. Some are issued by Steam, some are issued by the game developer.

The developer does not want you selling/trading their games that have been used. They dont see any money when that happens.

as for pirating games, that is done by people that have zero desire to support a game developer but still wants to play the developers game.

If you dont like the rules, dont use the service. The game developers decided to put their product on Steam, so you can complain to the dev's about that decision if you like.

Trading activated games is something that scammers and account theives would love. Would you like to explain to us why a game developer would want you to trade your used games with someone else? The dev makes money when people BUY their game, but they make zero when you trade it to someone.

[Pan Paka Pan]

Nowadays, the only way to truly own a game is purchasing the physical copy. I heard even GOG is not truly DRM free.

[J4MESOX4D]

Messaggio originale di Sebree:

I'm an English major

Why is it always the self-proclaimed 'experts' of their respective field always have the most problems with it? It's like all the people with degrees in computer science getting phished by malware...

You should probably do your research on how Steam and all forms of digital media distribution work before trying to assemble a team of idiots against it. Digital games on console work the same. If you don't like this form of media; terminate your Steam account and any movie/music ones you have and go buy physical media instead i.e a games console, DVD's and music CD's.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di logicspace:

Nowadays, the only way to truly own a game is purchasing the physical copy. I heard even GOG is not truly DRM free.

You never truly owned the physical copy. They just had very little way to enforce the rules with thenm, hence why software is increasingly going the digital route.

[Pan Paka Pan]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

Messaggio originale di logicspace:

Nowadays, the only way to truly own a game is purchasing the physical copy. I heard even GOG is not truly DRM free.

You never truly owned the physical copy. They just had very little way to enforce the rules with thenm, hence why software is increasingly going the digital route.

If that was true, I shouldn’t be allowed to sell my games cuz I didn’t own them, but i sold and sell most of my games after a time, cuz i own them and i can sell them.