grand prix rigged

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from the current score table in the grand prix thing, here's hare's current multiplier.
"current_multiplier":"0.0331985253707801492"
"current_multiplier_boosts":"448.800021269358695"

compare this to corgi's:
"current_multiplier":"0.00289647435669331032"
"current_multiplier_boosts":"1308.1000620839186"

as you can see, the multiplier is over 10 times smaller meaning way less points per tick. very interesting rigging valve thanks

[Ｍｏｎａｄｎｏｃｋ]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

NathanD の投稿を引用：

Your right OP. Every time Corgi has lost has been due to Steam fiddling with the event. This whole thing needs to be shelved, all it has shown is how they will do anything to keep a corrupt sweep stakes running.

got to love how it is corrupt if they try to balance things and give all teams a fair chance but if they do nothing and just let one team win everything that is totally fair and legit.

If 75% of the userbase joined THAT team, and they win every day because of volume, then that is fair.

Let's be honest here, this event was borked from the word "go" because they let people choose their own teams in lieu of randomly assigning a team to everyone.

[Count_Dandyman]

Monadnock の投稿を引用：

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

got to love how it is corrupt if they try to balance things and give all teams a fair chance but if they do nothing and just let one team win everything that is totally fair and legit.

If 75% of the userbase joined THAT team, and they win every day because of volume, then that is fair.

Let's be honest here, this event was borked from the word "go" because they let people choose their own teams in lieu of randomly assigning a team to everyone.

oh I don't disagree that they screwed this event beyond repair the second it startedbut I will say again the same thing I have every time people bring up that winning because more people chose the team is fair this isn't a contest for which team can get the most votes so no just having more people on a team doesn't mean you should be guaranteed a win.

[Wridian]

They didn't have to make teams completely random to balance things, they also could have done something less drastic like temporarily taking any given team out of the options when and if it got too far ahead. Then, put it back in when the others got in range again. Sure, some people would have been kept out of their first choice that way, but even then they'd have gotten their pick of the other four. And for those of us who did chose the other four anyway, no difference at all.

But mostly my point here is that there are ways of buildings teams other than the polar extremes of completely unrestricted choice and none at all. I'm no fan of Team Corgi's game destroying size either, but total randomness like in other events isn't good either. Random chance is terrible at picking a person's favorite icon and/or color, or even their second favorite.

[Another Æon]

Fang の投稿を引用：

Now that there's sufficient attention to this problem, I also vote we sue Nintendo for Mario Kart's excessive rubber banding. If that doesn't break any laws I'll eat my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hat.

That's actually how every racing game is designed. It's supposed to make the field more realistic and only affects everything behind the top drivers. If it wasn't there, all drivers would be equal and thus you would have huge chaos, making the game even more difficult. That's why it is not breaking the law, because it is recognized as a tool to make racing games more realistic. You will find it it every racing game up to date, sometimes very obviously and sometimes only detectable through external software. But it will always be there.

Also, Mario kart is still very weak in regard of rubberbanding. Other games like Fast RMX and Fast Racing Neo are by far much worse. And those are not produced by Nintendo, but only published. In Fast Racing Neo, some CPU are heavily cheating, even breaking the devs' times at time attack.


In terms of Valve, i agree however. If they influenced the event in any way, which they actually admitted to in their "rebalance" patch news, then they have technically broken the law actually. There are fair competition laws after all, which prohibits the change of conditions. So you could file a complain for that.

That's another difference to the rubberbanding btw... The rubberbanding was always there. So your conditions never changed. Here the conditions did change.

[*Sarcastawizard*]

Stryker Evol の投稿を引用：

Fang の投稿を引用：

Now that there's sufficient attention to this problem, I also vote we sue Nintendo for Mario Kart's excessive rubber banding. If that doesn't break any laws I'll eat my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hat.

That's actually how every racing game is designed. It's supposed to make the field more realistic and only affects everything behind the top drivers. If it wasn't there, all drivers would be equal and thus you would have huge chaos, making the game even more difficult. That's why it is not breaking the law, because it is recognized as a tool to make racing games more realistic. You will find it it every racing game up to date, sometimes very obviously and sometimes only detectable through external software. But it will always be there.

Also, Mario kart is still very weak in regard of rubberbanding. Other games like Fast RMX and Fast Racing Neo are by far much worse. And those are not produced by Nintendo, but only published. In Fast Racing Neo, some CPU are heavily cheating, even breaking the devs' times at time attack.


In terms of Valve, i agree however. If they influenced the event in any way, which they actually admitted to in their "rebalance" patch news, then they have technically broken the law actually. There are fair competition laws after all, which prohibits the change of conditions. So you could file a complain for that.

That's another difference to the rubberbanding btw... The rubberbanding was always there. So your conditions never changed. Here the conditions did change.

What a Chad response

[Another Æon]

What does chad mean in this case?
English is not my native language so i had to look it up. And those dictionaries gave me strange or no real/fitting information.

[*Sarcastawizard*]

Stryker Evol の投稿を引用：

What does chad mean in this case?
English is not my native language so i had to look it up. And those dictionaries gave me strange or no real/fitting information.

Lol don't worry about it it's just a joke term. The word Chad is just a name that a person can have. Not sure how to explain the joke but it's not anything that needs analysis.

[Count_Dandyman]

*Sarcastawizard* の投稿を引用：

Stryker Evol の投稿を引用：

What does chad mean in this case?
English is not my native language so i had to look it up. And those dictionaries gave me strange or no real/fitting information.

Lol don't worry about it it's just a joke term. The word Chad is just a name that a person can have. Not sure how to explain the joke but it's not anything that needs analysis.

Wow you really don't know the source of the phrase you are using you should really look into it before throwing it around so much.

Short version is that people angry about the fact they aren't getting the sex they think the world owes them just because they want it refer to people that do get it as Chad or Stacy.

So yeah not a phrase you should throw around lightly unless you want people to associate you with a group of petty hateful bigots.

[Aachen]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

Wow you really don't know the source of the phrase you are using you should really look into it before throwing it around so much.

Short version is that people angry about the fact they aren't getting the sex they think the world owes them just because they want it refer to people that do get it as Chad or Stacy.

So yeah not a phrase you should throw around lightly unless you want people to associate you with a group of petty hateful bigots.

Yeah, that’s some pretty disturbing “humor” to be injecting into the discussion. No more “necessary” to be thrown around than the analysis mentioned above. I daresay the analysis actually has value, especially for an ESL speaker, but I won’t burden the thread with anything deeper than the Count’s info.

[Scase is KING of Narwhals]

Anyone who tries to call this https://i.imgur.com/cTH6dgQ.jpg random, is an idiot.

[Count_Dandyman]

Scase is KING of Narwhals の投稿を引用：

Anyone who tries to call this https://i.imgur.com/cTH6dgQ.jpg random, is an idiot.

Spikes in a teams activity are to be expected as they will show the times when members of the team are doing the daily boost and using points they got for buying things and of course a smaller team will have bigger spikes because 10 pople doing something at once is more noticeable when they aren't in a crowd of 10 million what is the problem is how big the gap is getting unless the Hares are on a massive shopping spree and the other teams only using base boosts Valve need to fix the broken multipliers.

[Scase is KING of Narwhals]

So it's just convenient that all 4 teams dropped off drastically at the exact moment Hare peaked? Come on dude, that would mean you would have only people of a certain timezone using hare and all perfectly coordinating their boosts and attacks. The exact same thing happened yesterday.

The amount of people that would need to perfectly coordinate this to have it play out this perfectly is massive. You think millions of people doing the exact same thing right at the same time, is more likely than Valve rigging it?

If spikes happened for teams activity, they would happen for all teams, not just one.

[Count_Dandyman]

Scase is KING of Narwhals の投稿を引用：

So it's just convenient that all 4 teams dropped off drastically at the exact moment Hare peaked? Come on dude, that would mean you would have only people of a certain timezone using hare and all perfectly coordinating their boosts and attacks. The exact same thing happened yesterday.

The amount of people that would need to perfectly coordinate this to have it play out this perfectly is massive. You think millions of people doing the exact same thing right at the same time, is more likely than Valve rigging it?

If spikes happened for teams activity, they would happen for all teams, not just one.

Well a team that boosts a lot is also going to be getting a lot of attacks to slow down the other teams so yeah they would drop too but the big thing is your graph isn't showing the raw speed figures so others going down on it doesn't mean they are getting slower just that they are falling further behind.

[Lunacy]

ExiledAlchemist の投稿を引用：

It still isn't rigged, and the rules didn't change at all. The reason this is happening is from server lag. I've figured this out days ago just from watching the way the races play out. All attacks are on a delay to prevent server crashes so the race page stays stable. What we are seeing are the delays playing catch up with the servers.

I also just did a check on the race page, and trust me when the servers play catch up again you will see Hare dead last from the delayed attacks.

How do you explain the day when corgi had 10-20x the boost than everyone for the entire day but still came in 5th

Besides, right now at about 2:30am cst, Corgi is getting about 0.05 per tick at 2700ish boost, while hare is getting 0.1-0.16 per tick at 1310

Now aroudn 2:40am cst, it's seems like it's the reverse

[Count_Dandyman]

Lunacy の投稿を引用：

ExiledAlchemist の投稿を引用：

It still isn't rigged, and the rules didn't change at all. The reason this is happening is from server lag. I've figured this out days ago just from watching the way the races play out. All attacks are on a delay to prevent server crashes so the race page stays stable. What we are seeing are the delays playing catch up with the servers.

I also just did a check on the race page, and trust me when the servers play catch up again you will see Hare dead last from the delayed attacks.

How do you explain the day when corgi had 10-20x the boost than everyone for the entire day but still came in 5th

ah you mean the day right after Valve said they were putting in code to balance out the vast difference in team sizes explained in one simple sentence that sums up this entire event.

They screwed it up.