Any idea why Telltale Games are being removed?

[Trash]

I mean...if it's because the dev's gone under, then why would Hydrophobia still be listed? I'm regretting not getting several of their games...

[Count_Dandyman]

because those games had licencing agreements between the devs and the other companies that owned the IP's they used.

the agreements are no longer valid so those games are no longer allowed to be sold.

[Trash]

Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

because those games had licencing agreements between the devs and the other companies that owned the IP's they used.

the agreements are no longer valid so those games are no longer allowed to be sold.

That's a shame. Money could still flow in from purchasing those titles, but....I guess it all boils down to "We aren't getting any money from licensing our name to you guys, so your games are getting pulled". :/

[LowJack_VA1]

I just bought the two Telltale Batman games today on Android. Must be some licensing thing.

[Count_Dandyman]

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Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

because those games had licencing agreements between the devs and the other companies that owned the IP's they used.

the agreements are no longer valid so those games are no longer allowed to be sold.

That's a shame. Money could still flow in from purchasing those titles, but....I guess it all boils down to "We aren't getting any money from licensing our name to you guys, so your games are getting pulled". :/

No it comes down to the fact if an IP holder knowingly lets anyone use and profit off that IP without those legally binding agreements putting the permission and limitations for use in place then they lose the ability to stop others using it

[Crazy Tiger]

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Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

because those games had licencing agreements between the devs and the other companies that owned the IP's they used.

the agreements are no longer valid so those games are no longer allowed to be sold.

That's a shame. Money could still flow in from purchasing those titles, but....I guess it all boils down to "We aren't getting any money from licensing our name to you guys, so your games are getting pulled". :/

You have to be able to pay for the license. If that isn't possible or guaranteed anymore, it's logical that the IP-holder (and thus owner of the source material) says "stop selling it".

[korytoombs]

Because the company is bankrupt and going out of business.

[nullable]

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Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

because those games had licencing agreements between the devs and the other companies that owned the IP's they used.

the agreements are no longer valid so those games are no longer allowed to be sold.

That's a shame. Money could still flow in from purchasing those titles, but....I guess it all boils down to "We aren't getting any money from licensing our name to you guys, so your games are getting pulled". :/

You're not wrong that games could be sold and revenue generated, but who gets that money? Without legal agreements about what's what, you create a big mess doing a thing and trying to sort out the consequences later. You're looking at things from a very "practical" point of view, where yeah in theory they could just have those games listed and buy them and maybe even sort out who gets what as far as revenue goes.

But the reality is different. Especially where it comes to a studio that's making games based on someone else's IP. The more parties involved the more complicated relationships become. You've got to sort those things out before you can continue selling the game. And it's not always as simple as "yeah, but money." If there is a ton of money to be made on some of those games, whatever rights holders will probably try to sort it out. But arguably there wasn't enough to keep TellTale afloat, so maybe not so much money as you might think.

[LowJack_VA1]

korytoombs eredeti hozzászólása:

Because the company is bankrupt and going out of business.

That's fine, but if so, why was I able to buy two games off of Android today?

[LowJack_VA1]

Riedy eredeti hozzászólása:

Another company bought Telltale's debt and helped them acquire certain licenses to keep certain sales going. Any sale that "Telltale" makes go to the company that bought the debt.

The Minecraft game is leaving all platforms because Netflix acquired the rights before Telltale went out of business, it's kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they remove to ability to even download the game after this month, but it's not on Telltale or the company who bought their debt.

Games are still being sold:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/8330/Telltale_Texas_Hold_Em/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

No license required here, opposed to the poker with actual characters.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/675260/Batman_The_Enemy_Within__The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/498240/Batman__The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/579950/Marvels_Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/250320/The_Wolf_Among_Us/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

Getting the Fables license probably wasn't too expensive especially since they already worked on the sequel so they probably renewed it recently, but I think the money for the others goes elsewhere. Marvel is probably getting the GotG money, Warner Brothers owns both Batman and the Arkham games so it's likely they're getting the money for these titles while paying for the game to stay up.

Yeah, I know about this ;)

[Count_Dandyman]

Riedy eredeti hozzászólása:

Another company bought Telltale's debt and helped them acquire certain licenses to keep certain sales going. Any sale that "Telltale" makes go to the company that bought the debt.

The Minecraft game is leaving all platforms because Netflix acquired the rights before Telltale went out of business, it's kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they remove to ability to even download the game after this month, but it's not on Telltale or the company who bought their debt.

Games are still being sold:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/8330/Telltale_Texas_Hold_Em/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

No license required here, opposed to the poker with actual characters.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/675260/Batman_The_Enemy_Within__The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/498240/Batman__The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/579950/Marvels_Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_The_Telltale_Series/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/250320/The_Wolf_Among_Us/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

Getting the Fables license probably wasn't too expensive especially since they already worked on the sequel so they probably renewed it recently, but I think the money for the others goes elsewhere. Marvel is probably getting the GotG money, Warner Brothers owns both Batman and the Arkham games so it's likely they're getting the money for these titles while paying for the game to stay up.

The Fables licence more than likely wasn't exactly cheap given it belongs to Warner same as Batman does the most likely reason those games are still up is because the contracts made for them have not expired yet but they won't be around forever as once they do expire they are going to hit the standard hole where the money they can bring in won't come close to the price the owners want for them being used and they will vanish too.

[Trash]

Brockenstein eredeti hozzászólása:

Shrodu eredeti hozzászólása:

That's a shame. Money could still flow in from purchasing those titles, but....I guess it all boils down to "We aren't getting any money from licensing our name to you guys, so your games are getting pulled". :/

You're not wrong that games could be sold and revenue generated, but who gets that money? Without legal agreements about what's what, you create a big mess doing a thing and trying to sort out the consequences later. You're looking at things from a very "practical" point of view, where yeah in theory they could just have those games listed and buy them and maybe even sort out who gets what as far as revenue goes.

But the reality is different. Especially where it comes to a studio that's making games based on someone else's IP. The more parties involved the more complicated relationships become. You've got to sort those things out before you can continue selling the game. And it's not always as simple as "yeah, but money." If there is a ton of money to be made on some of those games, whatever rights holders will probably try to sort it out. But arguably there wasn't enough to keep TellTale afloat, so maybe not so much money as you might think.

Yet what of the case of Hydrophobia and Section 8: Prejudice? Both companies went bust yet the games still remain listed. Where does that money go? To just Valve or a derelict "black hole" account?

[nullable]

Shrodu eredeti hozzászólása:

Yet what of the case of Hydrophobia and Section 8: Prejudice? Both companies went bust yet the games still remain listed. Where does that money go? To just Valve or a derelict "black hole" account?

Different company, different situation, different arrangements made. There isn't a uniform pattern to these things either. One situation doesn't necessarily correlate to another.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Shrodu eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean...if it's because the dev's gone under, then why would Hydrophobia still be listed? I'm regretting not getting several of their games...

Hydrophobia: Prophecy is apparently developed and published by Dark Energy Digital Ltd.; what's Telltale's involvement?

[Count_Dandyman]

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Brockenstein eredeti hozzászólása:

You're not wrong that games could be sold and revenue generated, but who gets that money? Without legal agreements about what's what, you create a big mess doing a thing and trying to sort out the consequences later. You're looking at things from a very "practical" point of view, where yeah in theory they could just have those games listed and buy them and maybe even sort out who gets what as far as revenue goes.

But the reality is different. Especially where it comes to a studio that's making games based on someone else's IP. The more parties involved the more complicated relationships become. You've got to sort those things out before you can continue selling the game. And it's not always as simple as "yeah, but money." If there is a ton of money to be made on some of those games, whatever rights holders will probably try to sort it out. But arguably there wasn't enough to keep TellTale afloat, so maybe not so much money as you might think.

Yet what of the case of Hydrophobia and Section 8: Prejudice? Both companies went bust yet the games still remain listed. Where does that money go? To just Valve or a derelict "black hole" account?

those don't involve other companies IPs at all so there is no split revenue or complicated legal agreements built into their existence and they can easily have full ownership and payment rights transferred to either those the companies owed money to when they went bust or whoever was willing to pay for them and give them the cash to pay towards their debts.

[Taebrythn]

korytoombs eredeti hozzászólása:

Because the company is bankrupt and going out of business.

yes they are going out of business.