Should steam stop selling Early Access Games?

[Fat Rambo]

To be honest, the early access game will never be complete, Dayz, Rust, or any other early access games, for how long they have been early access and i dont think they ever will be completed. Technically its bluffing players money, if steam insist on releasing these games, then they should allow refunds after the 2 weeks 2 hours refundpolicy.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

GobboKirk eredeti hozzászólása:

NAF-DEADMIKE-8-33-11 eredeti hozzászólása:

yup,that sums EA up pretty well.

Even the ones you like?

every single EA title is open for that kind of fraud/scams as long as there is nothing keeping developers accountable. and again you totally ignore the original poster and goes straight for me. dude seriously.

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

cinedine eredeti hozzászólása:

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

And you may post as much as you’d like. Just make it on topic or at least stop baiting for derailment. That’s all I ask. Just. Move. On. I really don’t want this thread locked.

By this point I wouldn't mind. If the actual discussion only shines through occasionally and else it's just the DayZ sucks group calling everybody names and the DayZ fanbois dragging it down as well, there is little point in continuing.
There has been some starters, but since October is just continued to be about DayZ every other post I feel.

And looking at this other thread Maca has quoted from, I seriously doubt the intention of the recent anti-posters regarding an honest discussion. Doesn't exactly help that you guys seem to have history as well.

Jonny Friggin Panic eredeti hozzászólása:

It's a broken system. They used to pay beta testers... now, beta testers pay them, and there's never a concrete guarantee it's worth it. Scam city, just like the vast majority of the microtransaction model in general.

And beta-testers are still paid. Early Access has not replaced Quality Assurance.
Early Access is crowd testing for concepts and gameplay variants. Basically another form of A-B tests.

Certain people have history. I try to be as even and polite as possible. I cannot help that people may or may not like me. Honestly, I find it pathetic that people can get so worked up over people they will never meet.

So, apologies, the DayZ thing floated here for specific reasons that I’m sure anyone with an ounce of intelligence can decipher.

But you’re right. This thread is essentially dead. The only reason I didn’t want this locked is because sooner or later there would be another taking it’s place.



Anyway—

I’m not sure why or how people equate Early Access to being beta testers or QA.

[cinedine]

NAF-DEADMIKE-8-33-11 eredeti hozzászólása:

yea they could have just posted on that other forum,but for some reason they chose to drag it over here.

No they could not. It's a group discussion. Why should they join the group just to be insulted by you and others? Seriously, you call THIS thread a circle jerk?

But you could stop dragging your other issues over here. You very first post on this thread was asking Blaze how the game he used to work on came along. Off-topic and completely out of the blue. And since then the thread has exploded with your feud against DayZ.

BlazeMcNight eredeti hozzászólása:

But you’re right. This thread is essentially dead. The only reason I didn’t want this locked is because sooner or later there would be another taking it’s place.

Which is probably the whole reason this thread is still open. The mods here *love* mega threads no one can follow anymore.

[GobboKirk]

NAF-DEADMIKE-8-33-11 eredeti hozzászólása:

GobboKirk eredeti hozzászólása:

Even the ones you like?

every single EA title is open for that kind of fraud/scams as long as there is nothing keeping developers accountable. and again you totally ignore the original poster and goes straight for me. dude seriously.

Don't flatter yourself. Just looking for some more neuance than his ramble.
Since you're actually capable of a conversation when you want to.
His issues are still summoned up with: Good thing you don't have to buy them.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

cinedine eredeti hozzászólása:

NAF-DEADMIKE-8-33-11 eredeti hozzászólása:

yea they could have just posted on that other forum,but for some reason they chose to drag it over here.

No they could not. It's a group discussion. Why should they join the group just to be insulted by you and others? Seriously, you call THIS thread a circle jerk?

they have joined the group before to take part in debates over there! and they are subscribed to that group forum.

cinedine eredeti hozzászólása:

But you could stop dragging your other issues over here. You very first post on this thread was asking Blaze how the game he used to work on came along. Off-topic and completely out of the blue. And since then the thread has exploded with your feud against DayZ.

not offtopic! he has first hand experience being a dev on an EA,so who better to ask? an EA that is dead in the water i might add,and very doubtfull it will ever be completed. some might even concider it a scam.

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

NAF_DeadMike, your first post had one purpose and one purpose only. Even a user that has zero knowledge of “history” can spot that.

The only reason I “subscribed” to that thread is because of the continuous insults over there. I find it amusing to see you feel accomplished and see others call me “♥♥♥♥♥♥”.

The validation you lot require is anything short of pathetic.

I’ve said my peace. Move on with your life, mate.

I will no longer respond to this nonsense unless it is directly about me.

Cheers! :)

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

This is an EAG thread. If you want an "i hate DAYZ" thread then make a seperate one.

Here we're discussing the pros and cons of EAGs.

[Tito Shivan]

Jonny Friggin Panic eredeti hozzászólása:

Absolutely. It's obscene to have to pay to beta-test people's games.

You're not paying to beta test. You don't even want the paycheck a real beta tester gets for the work they do.

Stumbling over bugs while playing is NOT beta testing.

[Slimurgical (Stormy)]

The answer is no. If anything, all that should happen, is slightly more strict moderation and observation of Early Access titles.

Essentially make any 2-year inactive Early Access titles either free to play, or disable purchasing of the game but not remove it from Steam.

The whole point, IMO, of Early Access is to give smaller groups a more early foothold on a playerbase so you can more easily gain profit to fund development (so you don't really have to work two jobs to pay bills, but one less maybe so you have more development time available to you) and also simultaneously get active, persistent feedback during development, and that's in some ways alot more helpful that really descriptive bug reports on a fully released game.

I say it's more useful than the best bug reports because if you JUST add stuff into a game, but people don't like it, you can get that feedback in under a day if people are buying and playing your game so you can then more quickly trace back to that area of the game's contruction and edit it while it's all still fresh in your brain, fixing bugs technically faster than otherwise.

[cinedine]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

Jonny Friggin Panic eredeti hozzászólása:

Absolutely. It's obscene to have to pay to beta-test people's games.

You're not paying to beta test. You don't even want the paycheck a real beta tester gets for the work they do.

Stumbling over bugs while playing is NOT beta testing.

The reward of a QA technician is more than just monetary. You get the chance to break everything and stick it to those smug developers.

IIIStrife eredeti hozzászólása:

Essentially make any 2-year inactive Early Access titles either free to play, or disable purchasing of the game but not remove it from Steam.

And we're back to token updates.
Who would have known healthcare game development is so complicated.

[georgelush]

They make money :) and wont stop..

[Nano]

I can say no they shouldnt but just need to regluate more, time restraints, higher entry qualifications, but I love the fact I have so many games to chose from. EA games are mostly ground breaking and ahead of their time, something so fresh about them. Never see the actual EA company making anything new or ground breaking hell any AAA for that matter Id say the most revolutionary company thats making games yearly is ubisoft and well ♥♥♥♥ Im just tired of AAA games and their lack of anything new. For Honor was the freshest AAA game in a long time too bad it was like playing early access for some time its better now. But Id support any ea game over AAA in a sec. 99% of my games are early access. But almost no excuses should come from it being EA, ok some features arent there yet and they want to make more money before adding them, but some games are practily fresh with like a months work it seems, prob more but some damn like how is this on steam, but some are amazing, 7d2d is so goood for ea, empyrion, Rimworld, squad, good gamesss. We prob wouldnt see them at all if it wasnt for early access

[Mr Stillwell]

Of course, selling beta versions of games as "early access" is just another scam in the endless amount of scams gaming has become.

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

Mr Stillwell eredeti hozzászólása:

Of course, selling beta versions of games as "early access" is just another scam in the endless amount of scams gaming has become.

You own 886 games.

[Tophiate]

There is no doubt that 'early access' became a slippery slope for the unwary. I was a bit foolish in the last decade or so and plugged all kinds of cash into projects only to have them go vapor ware on me or just stay in limbo. I was very quickly made aware of just exactly what early access has come to be, however. Beta Testing, back in the day, was something a fairly small percentage of players took part in, usually by invite only, where you tested incomplete games for bugs etc. The key word is 'test'. Not 'play'. Not for everyone, but I liked being the first to get into things.

I am of the opinion that somewhere along the line, the term 'Beta Test' got swapped with 'Early Access' to some degree, in some people's minds. Not only were Devs able to get the bugs worked out on their games but they could charge US to do the work. Brilliant. Shady as ♥♥♥♥, but brilliant. Now, early access does not provide a platform for true Beta Testing...everyone wants to play and then ♥♥♥♥♥ about how incomplete the game is. Games have consequently suffered imho. None of these statements are all encompassing and do not speak of every game developed, but it applies to many recent endeavors, imho.

I am not looking to place blame. I am actually not complaining, really. I simply have altered my expectations of both EAGs as well as finished games over the last few years. I have played hundreds of hours in an 'early release' from an indie developer and loved every minute of it. I have also purchased AAA titles from huge publishing companies *COUGHEACOUGH* and upon release date the game was unfinished, buggy, unplayable AAA-BS crap of the lowest denominator.

Be aware of what you are getting into is my advice to everyone. Do your homework. maybe allow a little more time on a game so you can get some reviews. STEAM has clearly embraced the idea of quantity over quality in gaming, which is good...unfiltered, unfettered access to all games is better in the long run. Just know that YOU and not STEAM are responsible for what you get.

They provide the cliff. It's up to us to jump or not.