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I think when there is a lot of public outcry, a company sends a DMCA takedown, etc... Valve will act.
Otherwise, they are relatively laissez faire and have a great deal of latitude.
I think Valve acts when they HAVE to or are FORCED to but are generally not proactive on addressing these issues, which is a shame. Ultimately, I do think it hurts the platform but mostly it hurts honest developers and honest consumers.
Lately, they have been clamping down on fake reviews, which is a welcome change.
Are you kidding me? Valve doesn't get off their *** until a lawsuit pops up. Who the **** allows garbage developers to sue users for a ****ing review? Valve.
The good devs will keep in touch with their fanbase and update the games regularly based on feedback while the garbage devs will wait until their artificially approved game reaches the marketplace, do a single update and never be heard from again or they'll simply release ANOTHER title on Greenlight shortly afterwards.
OT: Can you actually write a sentence without swearing? I'm not being funny but you don't need to swear every 5 seconds to get your point across.
The review I'm not aware of so can't really comment on that.
Which goes back to my previous post, identifying which is which, a bad developer is easy enough to spot once their game has been added to Steam, maybe it's not so easy beforehand.
Yes I can write a sentence without swearing. I'm just tired of Valve and ****ing BS.
It is easy to spot beforehand like I mentioned earlier. Garbage devs exploit the voting system by giving away free keys or hiring groups on STEAM to inflate their votes so their game can get greenlit faster.
Good devs let the community do the talking which often works since their games can catch someone's attention. Although the same could be said for the bad devs as a LOT of mo rons on this site love purposely voting for bad games just to cause mischief.
I am trying to point how not clear your claims are and stranded you put on it, to a level that it can be just as much a matter of taste and is not in any mean a clear standerd on a level that one can act on
In other words your "self explanatory" posts can be taken in many many ways, making it useless i think to decide what is and what is not allowed
Just as much one can say "Only good games are allowed on Steam"
That is just as much self explanatory and is just as much general to a level that means nothing to decide what is and what is not
If your idea is that Valve is suppose to pick from that ideas what is and what is not in that terms, well, they all ready do, so then what is the point? that there is a disagreement on what they see as "unplayable, incomplete, broken, amateurish games ridden with stolen assets" if so, well how can one define it? that is what i am trying to point
Valve is going down on giveaway keys for votes for a while now games that do it do not pass no matter where they are on the chart, some legit games seem to have gotten hit by these, when doing giveaway in hope to get views to there Greenlight pages, and Valve has taken out guidelines on the matter that they do enforce
If you dont understand that meaning, I refer you to dictionary.com
There is no ulterior meaning, the posts are indeed self explanatory and are not cryptograms.
Case in point:
The discussion is not about game quality.
Its about business practices, about games that actually work, games and products that do what they are marketed as doing and what they are supposed to do, games that dont use stolen assets, developers that dont deceive their customers or manipulate voting systems to scam users and customers.
It's not easy to spot beforehand, if it were bad devs would not get through at all yet they are, that could be for a number of reasons, not enough checks being made, need better quality standards, a convincing scam, etc.
The community do do the talking for good or bad games, that's why threads like this exist or reviews are made, could it be better? Yes I'm sure it could.
Personally I'd remove Greenlight and Early Access in a heartbeat but their are good devs out there, it would be a shame to not see what they have to offer because a number of devs decided to abuse the system.
They are? I could've sworn they just separated the reviews from Steam and "Key" purchases to stop these garbage devs from inflating their overall score for their game when it actually sucks. I don't think the groups that inflate votes in the first place have been dealt with or the devs with sock accounts that keep giving their own games tons of "positive" reviews.
Bingo
It is easy to spot and Valve let's them slip through the cracks since they make $100 per entry of garbage titles and they don't want to discriminate against them to just to inflate their gaming library with a mountain of shovelware. Why is it that GoG actaully has standards while Valve does not? Money of course.
For every good game on Greenlight there's at least 150 **** titles which buries said games.
Some games like Tron: Evolution will not work when you try to install them, you have to pass a process of reinstalling GFWL then it works fine, is that a game that works or not?
How abut game like Blood Knights? while playing it i hit a few games that more or less did not let me pass a part without restarting the game, is that an incomplete or unplayable game?
If a game only runs on one setup of hardware, is that consider that the game is working or not?
Stolen assets are not suppose to be out at all, but some break it, and when Valve is notified of it, they indeed take care of it, and i think that is what there suppose to do no? i mean last i remember they do not have GlaDoS in there that is able to find out by magic on every asset that is allowed or not inside of a game, something that is not so easy to find over all
As said your self explanatory posts are if you prefer general too much to really give any true meaning behind them, Valve dose remove and refund games that do not work at all, or that where false advertising, as we seen before, that will be the correct act to be done, will it not?
So are you saying that Valve needs to do what they are all ready doing? or are you saying they are not doing it enough for your prosnal taste on the matter?
The cartira that you put where done so far beyond once and been taken care of, so where they not taken care of enough? or is there a game that maybe stands inside the area, but is not so clear if its on one or the other?
100$ go to charity:
Source: http://store.steampowered.com/app/219820/
And il say again as long as the game dose not pass it dose not matter if it is or is not on Greenlight
I was talking abut giveways for votes
Valve also taken down a few games that had fake votes on them that Valve found so, for example:
Source: https://steamcommunity.com/games/ArtOfStealth/announcements/detail/690574607309027725
Consensus, LITERALLY, means a general agreement by a majority.
And i was talking about the meaning of the words, not anybodys opinion.
No offense, but there is no sense in using words to argue if you do not understand their actual meaning.
I am saying that historically and currently Valve is not doing enough nor what it should in order to address scams, abandoned early access games, broken games that dont do what they are marketed and supposed to do in the systems that they are supposed to work, etc...
Is that a number you've just made up? What's bad to you might not be to someone else, every game is given a fair chance in that sense but that's the problem, that can possibly be abused by some.