So many awful games.

[Vara]

Took a look through the Steam store. Wow. That was terrible.

It would appear that recently we've struck quite a bump, a bump in gaming quality versus quantity. Hentai, Early Access, and the awful Indie Game Market manifesting nothing but broken, below par, and pricy games with little content. For a while it's been clear that Valve doesn't want top of the line quality ganes filling their stores, but is instead focusing more towards quantity over quality.

I, for one, would happily remove hundreds of games from the Steam market if I had even the slightest chance. Staring with the hundreds of Hentai/Anime games that completely plauge the market. Afterwards, I'd completely remove Early Access entirely; Early Access developers have no reason to finish a game if it's already sold thousands of copies. In short, Early Access just doesn't work. It's like pizza: The devs make the pizza half baked and 'promise' to bake the other half, but never do. They just give you a half finished pizza for the full price.

It's so revolting to see promises broke right before your eyes and that game you were promised turn into something so disgusting you can't even stomach it. Make it so you can refund an EA game ANYTIME, that'd fix it quick and make this greedy devs work. I'd also make sure those Indie game creators are placed under a heavy thumb so they can't release their foul 'games' anymore.

What are your thoughts? Tell me!

[[415]BlazeMcNight]

引用自 Radene：

引用自 cinedine：

An asset flip must be certain to make the money back before submitting or they will take a loss. An indie studio that has already pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into a game (making a good game will cost you some money), will easily be able to cough up a another 5,000+.

First, "hundreds of thousands of dollars" doesn't sound that indie to me, and second, once your budget is committed, "coughing up another five grand" isn't the matter of waving a wand around and it magically appears.

Indie doesn't mean poor, necessarily. Indie is simply Independent of a publisher.

Bohemia Interactive is a large company with huge success, and they're indie.

Though, most people assume indie is a term associated with the likes lower budget games because 9 times out of 10 that's exactly what it is.

$100,000 budgets for indie games is very common and, in the grand scope, fairly small.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 cinedine：

An asset flip must be certain to make the money back before submitting or they will take a loss. An indie studio that has already pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into a game (making a good game will cost you some money), will easily be able to cough up a another 5,000+.

We're forgetting part of the plan those 'asset flip' games relied on is selling the games through bundles for a dime.
So any fee would have to be recouped almost exclusively through card sales. Since most game sales won't be accounted as they'll happen mostly out of Steam.

Card sales were net gains through greenlight, since release costs were 0. With a game release fee they stop being net gains since every game has an upfront release cost.

[Goosey]

I agree, steam is abit of a mess at the min with alot of pretty poor games.
Its hard to find the good stuff amongst all the crap.

[Peariden]

Steam kind a Play Store you can find many games but unfortunately most of them simple and boring, but for devs it's good thing Steam support every kinda indie games :) may be some of u guys see, Steam changing Greenlight system so probably in the future update Steam gonna be more like app store

[Cepeshovich]

Poop Simulator 2k17

[Radene]

引用自 xBEBRAIx FeLixZZ：

Poop Simulator 2k17

Oh just go with "This month's most popular meme simulator". Those are going to be the cha-ching mods, my powers of clairvoyance tell me.

[BlackSpawn]

VR Cha-Ching Simulator FTW

[Black Blade]

引用自 warpzone32：

Buckle in, cuz it's about to get worse.

With the move from Greenlight to Direct, now all you have to do is pay Valve a bribe to get your game on steam. No curation by Valve, no curation by the community, just cold, hard cash. Asset flips that get made in a single afternoon for $40 can easily afford this fee. Actual legitimate indies working hard for over a year cannot. Therefore, quaility new games (what few there are) will disappear from Steam, while lazy, terrible games and asset flips will proliferate.

Do the math. It's obvious.

Did the math, and you got it worng
Think abut it like these

For these games to get cash they need to sell
To get back the fee they have to sell on Steam over some amount

Meaning if the game cost 3$ the fee will be 300$ per agame, that means they need to sell over 100 copys just to cut even (Valve takes 30% likely)
So far with greenlight they had to only pay 100$ once, then sumbit as many games as they like

Over all there likely to end on a lose, and the higher the fee the more risky it becomes for them

Also its a recopble fee, as in after you past some profit/amout of sales you get the fee back, so even if it will be 5000$ the legit indie is likely to get it back, as long as there game sales
The main issue i think is for small markets that may not be selling much even if its a great game

[Rabid Urko]

Totally agree OP.

[Carabina Remus]

Some of this awful games need to be deleted from steam store.

[The Grapist]

I agree with OP, I'm struggling right now If I should sell my gaming PC and just get something like a Nintendo Switch and a Laptop. I've forced myself to play all of these crap games as of late; and I've come to the point I'd rather not even play anything.

[Dimebag]

引用自 Viceroy：

I agree with OP, I'm struggling right now If I should sell my gaming PC and just get something like a Nintendo Switch and a Laptop. I've forced myself to play all of these crap games as of late; and I've come to the point I'd rather not even play anything.

Majority of decent titles make it to console....in a playable state .

You are not alone in your thoughts ....

[Shmokey]

I completely agree with you. I dn't buy most games on steam anymore becuase I got sick of early acess and needing more money than the game is worth to pay for all the DLC. Games dont feel like games anymore...feels as if the industry is just plagued with greed now.

I found myself requesting alot of refunds for games becuase they just don't feel like they are worth the money payed that they where a couple of years ago. Recently tried origin access becuase I got so damn bored of waiting for a good anticipated game to release on steam. Yet as I play EA games again (as I did years ago on console) I am reminded of the pure dead community of origin. We need some juicy game drops soon man :c

On the other side of this I do still love steam. Games like insurgency for example are cheap, constantly updated, modable, fun to play with people who actually talk to you and so on.

[gothgirl]

Well, the Indie Games part is ridiculous, i love a lot Indie Game developers due to the fact that they pay more atention than big game Corps.

But yeah, Steam is filled with awful, trash and horrible games, look for 'Temper Tantrum', this game was made in like, 4 hours and the guy used Unity Models, And it is PAID!
That piece of trash is PAID!

Steam is a trash right now, they don't care about us anymore, they got money already, f**k the players, right?

[Rabid Urko]

When you try them and find out what utter ♥♥♥♥ they are you get a friendly warning that you may be misusing the refund system. If they look ♥♥♥♥ dont bother even buying to find out.