Players are being banned for no valid reason.

[[Unintelligible]]

Recently, players have been banned for obtaining the item "Ancient Page", which drops from the boss "Margrel", summoned thanks to the "Book of Dark Rituals."

Here are their respective wiki pages:
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Ancient_Page#Ancient_Page
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Margrel
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Book_of_Dark_Rituals

These are official wiki pages of the official wiki of Spiral Knights.

Now let's read one of those pages, "Book of Dark Rituals" for example, since Grey Havens hasn't yet.

This material is used to summon Margrel. Bring a book to the Konjuring Kat in Moorcroft Manor. This can be done any time, not just during the Kataclysmic Confrontation.

Would thou look at that. It works outside of the event! "Book of Dark Rituals" is not an item that disappears when the event ends. Anyone can activate "Book of Dark Rituals" even when Kataclysmic Confrontation is not active.

So why are you banning users for playing through the Margrel bossfight, GH? To stop people who are "scene hopping?" Instead of, you know, fixing it? Because maybe, perchance, perhaps, they have an item they shouldn't have gotten? You have no proof. You've based all of this on "maybe this person cheated", when you don't know if they did.

This banwave has nothing to do with the exploit you refuse to fix. Banning actual exploiters is one thing but banning randoms until you run out of people to ban, just because they may, perhaps, perchance, have played alongside an exploiter is absurd and doesn't fix anything.

I'm not banned, but at this rate I might just be soon if you keep throwing unjust darts at a dictionary until you get rid of everyone.

God forbid I accept an invitation to playing with other players in a multiplayer game.

Yikes, man.

[Frigidus]

Originally posted by [Unintelligible:

] To stop people who are "scene hopping?" Instead of, you know, fixing it?

So someone used some bug farming kats and got banned? Fair enough.

[[Unintelligible]]

Originally posted by Frigidus:

Originally posted by [Unintelligible:

] To stop people who are "scene hopping?" Instead of, you know, fixing it?

So someone used some bug farming kats and got banned? Fair enough.

Except that's not what happened in many cases. Anyone can hop into anyone's Margrel lobby, exploit or not. There are players who have not done any kind of exploit who have been banned for simply playing with exploiters.

Following this logic, you have spoken to me, I have spoken to banned players, therefore, you should be banned. Not so fair anymore, and yet, that's the logic of this banwave, apparently.

Banning exploiters is totes fine. Fixing the exploit would've been even better.
Banning randoms who joined a lobby after someone in Haven says "join my lobby" is absurd.

[Frigidus]

And we're just supposed to believe? Without proof? That's not how it works.

[[Unintelligible]]

Originally posted by Frigidus:

And we're just supposed to believe? Without proof? That's not how it works.

No proof no ban
yet ban
mmm
bizzare

Man you should rub brains with GH. Maybe you'll jumpstart a neuron.

[Frigidus]

Originally posted by [Unintelligible:

] Banning randoms who joined a lobby after someone in Haven says "join my lobby" is absurd.

In this case, these people have proof of innocence. Let them write to the support, their words will be verified and they will be unbanned, like many others in similar situations.

[[Unintelligible]]

Originally posted by Frigidus:

Originally posted by [Unintelligible:

] Banning randoms who joined a lobby after someone in Haven says "join my lobby" is absurd.

In this case, these people have proof of innocence. Let them write to the support, their words will be verified and they will be unbanned, like many others in similar situations.

You can't "prove" innocence in this case. It's like proving the existence of God. The burden of proof should be on the accuser.
You can use the book outside of the event, as the official wiki says and as players have been doing for years.
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Book_of_Dark_Rituals
The banwave has nothing to do with the exploit. It has no reason to exist.

[Frigidus]

Originally posted by Unintelligible:

You can use the book outside of the event

No one is disputing that. Not even GH. It's definitely not the cause.

Originally posted by Unintelligible:

You can't "prove" innocence in this case.

It's about the developers. They have activity logs and chat logs. If the knight was called in the city, he came and just participated in killing Margrel, he will be unbanned, if he had someone discussing or cheating (he was aware of what was happening and became a beneficiary), he will be banned.

Originally posted by Unintelligible:

The banwave has nothing to do with the exploit.

I can't know that, I wasn't there. Neither were you, I suppose.

[CarbonMonoxide]

Originally posted by Frigidus:

Originally posted by [Unintelligible:

] To stop people who are "scene hopping?" Instead of, you know, fixing it?

So someone used some bug farming kats and got banned? Fair enough.

It is not even possible to use scene hopping to acquire Ancient Pages, which GH has specifically accused people of doing. That is how we know the banwave is completely unfounded. It has been 8 days since the banwave and they have not replied to anyone explaining that what they have been accused of isn’t even possible.

[Frigidus]

Originally posted by CarbonMonoxide:

GH has specifically accused people of doing

Where can I review this accusation? If someone has posted a screenshot of correspondence with support or something similar, please give me a link.

[Frigidus]

This video only has a clarifying question from GH (“can you let us know how you obtained ancient pages recently?”). That doesn't sound like an accusation.

On the other hand there are references in this video to Lucas, who is known for repeatedly violating the game's TOS. To me, as an outside viewer, this seems .... suspicious.

I hope that GH unban the knights who really did accidentally mess with the bad guys or whatever the hell happened.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

>joins in using game exploit
>banned for using exploit
>"why did i get banned?"

lol, he didn't even get banned. i hope they get you next. you got no allies here. that black kat hood's gonna rot in the banned account forever.

[I Am Klaus]

Originally posted by Unintelligible:

Originally posted by Frigidus:

In this case, these people have proof of innocence. Let them write to the support, their words will be verified and they will be unbanned, like many others in similar situations.

You can't "prove" innocence in this case. It's like proving the existence of God. The burden of proof should be on the accuser.
You can use the book outside of the event, as the official wiki says and as players have been doing for years.
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Book_of_Dark_Rituals
The banwave has nothing to do with the exploit. It has no reason to exist.

That's not how it works in the American court system. When a claim is made against someone, the burden lies on the accused to disprove it, not on the accuser to prove it. If the accused cannot disprove it, then by rational logic, the claim against them must be true.

[Weabushnik]

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[𝕆ℤ𝕪]

day thirteen ... still banned

[Narty]

Originally posted by I Am Klaus:

Originally posted by Unintelligible:

You can't "prove" innocence in this case. It's like proving the existence of God. The burden of proof should be on the accuser.
You can use the book outside of the event, as the official wiki says and as players have been doing for years.
https://wiki.spiralknights.com/Book_of_Dark_Rituals
The banwave has nothing to do with the exploit. It has no reason to exist.

That's not how it works in the American court system. When a claim is made against someone, the burden lies on the accused to disprove it, not on the accuser to prove it. If the accused cannot disprove it, then by rational logic, the claim against them must be true.

The accuser (GH themselves in my case) actually *does* have to provide the proof to the court, the prosecution would be empty-handed otherwise.

Based on personal experience however, providing details on why someone gets banned is actually something that GH refuses to do, due to, and I quote, from an email from SK Support themselves, "Disclosing such information would compromise the integrity of our detection systems and potentially enable individuals to find ways to circumvent them in the future."