sleep vs freeze

[სულიკო]

which is better when i want an element to take out specific enemies from a fight

[Sebastian]

that depends on a few factors.
first off, construct are immune to sleep, so freeze is really the only choice for them.
sleep is otherwise generally preferred, since it stops enemies from attacking altogether while also still letting them be pushed about (essential for things like vortex or brandishes).
the healing from sleep is generally negligible, since the sleeping enemies were probably not yet hit anyways. the real downside is that sleep cant be chained, so think about if one sleep cycle is enough for setting up your combo or clearing other enemies.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Depends what you're doing. Freeze is worse for multiplayer because attacks break it and it negates knockback (screws up bomb kiting), but sleep is better for multiplayer because you have more dps against sleeping enemies.

You can also put enemies to sleep at full health just to keep them out of action while you take out other targets, or combo sleep with poison to negate healing.

The biggest downside with sleep is you can't "chain" it with freeze, due to the awake status effect.

You might also consider stun.

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

Arguably the main reason to craft a Shivermist Buster over a Torpor Tantrum would be to be able to stunlock Vanaduke (or if you frequently fight constructs for whatever reason)

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by DESTOYRER OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WORLSD:

Arguably the main reason to craft a Shivermist Buster over a Torpor Tantrum would be to be able to stunlock Vanaduke (or if you frequently fight constructs for whatever reason)

Or you can just blitz him to death. I don't remember ever needing shivermist for that.

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

Originally posted by DESTOYRER OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WORLSD:

Arguably the main reason to craft a Shivermist Buster over a Torpor Tantrum would be to be able to stunlock Vanaduke (or if you frequently fight constructs for whatever reason)

Or you can just blitz him to death. I don't remember ever needing shivermist for that.

Spamming autoguns is far less dangerous when your target is nearly immobile

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by DESTOYRER OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WORLSD:

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

Or you can just blitz him to death. I don't remember ever needing shivermist for that.

Spamming autoguns is far less dangerous when your target is nearly immobile

Don't most of the dangers surround him anyway? It doesnt matter which way he faces, especially when the freeze breaks in the first hit

[The destoyer of worlsd!!!]

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

Originally posted by DESTOYRER OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WORLSD:

Spamming autoguns is far less dangerous when your target is nearly immobile

Don't most of the dangers surround him anyway? It doesnt matter which way he faces, especially when the freeze breaks in the first hit

He doesn't attack (not in any particularly dangerous way, at least) if he isn't facing a player, which means that he produces fire tiles at a far lower rate while in a Shivermist Buster's AoE (not to mention that he won't charge out of the way while frozen). If zombies or deadnaughts are a concern, then they'll also be easier to kill while Vanaduke is frozen since Vanaduke is basically helpless until someone stops keeping him frozen

If he's in a Shivermist Buster's AoE, he'll get refrozen again, so he can generally only turn a little bit if he isn't facing anything he'd like to attack

[Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!]

I personally love running in with the Troika line and dropping a charged attack on a group. I can two shot most smaller enemies/healers and whatever doesn't die usually gets stunned for about 3 seconds. Stun is nice for making room for yourself.

Otherwise, I tend to keep freeze potions on me since both of my hits have a very wide arc and the charge for it strikes the same place twice. Sleep is nice, but like they said above, it doesn't work on constructs and more often than not, you can dodge the frozen enemies since they can only look one way. (perfect for gun puppies!)

Overall, I've personally found that Sleep doesn't always work for me, but I also have Stun built into my sword, so it just doesn't fit with my playstyle very well.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!:

I personally love running in with the Troika line and dropping a charged attack on a group.

That's what electron vortex/graviton bomb is for

[Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!]

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

Originally posted by Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!:

I personally love running in with the Troika line and dropping a charged attack on a group.

That's what electron vortex/graviton bomb is for

Well yeah, but it's a giant sword that explodes! How could I say no?

[Phantom]

Originally posted by DESTOYRER OF ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WORLSD:

Arguably the main reason to craft a Shivermist Buster over a Torpor Tantrum would be to be able to stunlock Vanaduke (or if you frequently fight constructs for whatever reason)

Shiver mist is outdated meta for advanced players during vana. I still DON'T think it's fine for newer players though because eventually you'll take off the training wheels and know that SMB is completely unnecessary and a waste; one person sacrificing all of their DPS. It's better to predict/bait his attacks in a circle while avoiding traps/enemies doing DPS for the team - assuming you're not clipping into him.

We now get inside vana by clipping through the hitboxes between his fire orbs. This allows practical invincibility from all attacks so heavy DPS is achieved and SMB isn't really needed. Not going over all the technical drawbacks etc but it infuriates me when one player just spams shivermist in a trio of low rank knights and I do 60% of active DPS just for the other two players to die lmao.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!:

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

That's what electron vortex/graviton bomb is for

Well yeah, but it's a giant sword that explodes! How could I say no?

No, I mean use that with troika instead of shivermist.

[Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!]

Originally posted by Batabii • Metroid Dread:

Originally posted by Be Gay, Do Crimes, Smoke Weed!:

Well yeah, but it's a giant sword that explodes! How could I say no?

No, I mean use that with troika instead of shivermist.

Ohhh, I got you. I don't use the shivermist though.

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Freeze

[Cuchi]

Freeze, because it make it immovable.