I'd really like to know what set of armor is objectively better [taking in mind t2 gameplay too]

[S3V3R]

So it's either this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Magic_Hood
with this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Wolver_Coat

OR

this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Angelic_Raiment
with this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Drake_Scale_Helm


the 5 star versions that i'm gonna use are:

first set
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Divine_Veil
with this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Skolver_Coat

second set
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Armor_of_the_Fallen
with this
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Dragon_Scale_Helm


i just want all-around protection, since avoiding getting hit is more important than how much damage that hit will cause, but i still value atleast some degree of defense [status defenses are useful too, but i do not mind them as much]

extra info on my planned build that might be useful:
Sword 1: Final Flourish
Sword 2: Acheron
Sword 3: Warmaster seerus rocket hammer [t3]

Shield: Barbarous thorn shield
Sprite: seraphynx

[Sebastian]

there is no objectively best armor.
if you want decent armor, it is recommended to go for some that has offensive bonuses. you appear to favor swords, so taking the wolver set should be the best option. upgrade it to vog cub to get decent defense for FSC later on.
you can also go full offense with chaos, but that is generally not the best first armor choice.

[S3V3R]

Is it really that hard to just tell me which makes me take less damage all-around? idgaf about which is best armour, i know there is no best armour! but i mean, FROM THE 2 CHOICES i gave, which makes the player have less debuffs and more defense and damage bonuses and crap

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by I44c:

Is it really that hard to just tell me which makes me take less damage all-around?

the best choice is always a specialised armor. if you want sword bonus, you make vog cub, skolver and snarbolax for example, to cover all three damage types.

Originally posted by I44c:

idgaf about which is best armour, i know there is no best armour! but i mean, FROM THE 2 CHOICES i gave, which makes the player have less debuffs and more defense and damage bonuses and ♥♥♥♥.

neither are particularly good.
I suppose the first is slightly better though, as it doesnt give you damage penalty. otherwise, do the math yourself, you got the wiki.

[S3V3R]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by I44c:

Is it really that hard to just tell me which makes me take less damage all-around?

the best choice is always a specialised armor. if you want sword bonus, you make vog cub, skolver and snarbolax for example, to cover all three damage types.

Originally posted by I44c:

idgaf about which is best armour, i know there is no best armour! but i mean, FROM THE 2 CHOICES i gave, which makes the player have less debuffs and more defense and damage bonuses and ♥♥♥♥.

neither are particularly good.
I suppose the first is slightly better though, as it doesnt give you damage penalty. otherwise, do the math yourself, you got the wiki.

Fair enough, i'll go full wolver, but i wonder... can i just mix snarbolax and vog or something? i'd really feel more comfortable knowing i got defense against 3 out of the 4 damage types in the game

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by I44c:

can i just mix snarbolax and vog or something?

nothing is stopping you.

Originally posted by I44c:

i'd really feel more comfortable knowing i got defense against 3 out of the 4 damage types in the game

you will only rarely meet monsters that deal different damage types in the same level. and even then, it is generally easy to pick the more dangerous foe.
and after all, you arent locked into using only one piece of gear per slot for the whole game, you can switch it up as you go along. for example, keep the skelly set you got (or will get) for any T2 fiend/undead lvls until you can get something better.

oh and so you know, T1 deals normal damage exclusively. and for shields, status resistance is more important than its defense.

[S3V3R]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by I44c:

can i just mix snarbolax and vog or something?

nothing is stopping you.

Originally posted by I44c:

i'd really feel more comfortable knowing i got defense against 3 out of the 4 damage types in the game

you will only rarely meet monsters that deal different damage types in the same level. and even then, it is generally easy to pick the more dangerous foe.
and after all, you arent locked into using only one piece of gear per slot for the whole game, you can switch it up as you go along. for example, keep the skelly set you got (or will get) for any T2 fiend/undead lvls until you can get something better.

oh and so you know, T1 deals normal damage exclusively. and for shields, status resistance is more important than its defense.

well yeah i'm aware that i can switch armor, but i am really not planning to do the grinding for another set, i want armor that lasts through the whole game.

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by I44c:

well yeah i'm aware that i can switch armor, but i am really not planning to do the grinding for another set, i want armor that lasts through the whole game.

then get chaos and nothing else. it will be painful at points, but once you get good enough, you can live with its downsides while reaping the benefits.

[S3V3R]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by I44c:

well yeah i'm aware that i can switch armor, but i am really not planning to do the grinding for another set, i want armor that lasts through the whole game.

then get chaos and nothing else. it will be painful at points, but once you get good enough, you can live with its downsides while reaping the benefits.

Well, it's really not my first time playing spiral knights, i'm moderatedly experienced already i THINK i can handle chaos?

[S3V3R]

Originally posted by I44c:

Originally posted by Sebastian:

then get chaos and nothing else. it will be painful at points, but once you get good enough, you can live with its downsides while reaping the benefits.

Well, it's really not my first time playing spiral knights, i'm moderatedly experienced already i had reached t3 4* all of them, so i THINK i can handle chaos? [/quote]

Originally posted by I44c:

Originally posted by Sebastian:

then get chaos and nothing else. it will be painful at points, but once you get good enough, you can live with its downsides while reaping the benefits.

Well, it's really not my first time playing spiral knights, i'm moderatedly experienced already i had reached t3 4* all of them, so i THINK i can handle chaos? [/quote]

Originally posted by I44c:

Originally posted by Sebastian:

then get chaos and nothing else. it will be painful at points, but once you get good enough, you can live with its downsides while reaping the benefits.

Well, it's really not my first time playing spiral knights, i'm moderatedly experienced already i THINK i can handle chaos? [/quote]
Only thing i absolutedly despise about this is having to wait all the way to 5* to reap the benefits, i wish alchemy paths branched out early :c

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by I44c:

Only thing i absolutedly despise about this is having to wait all the way to 5* to reap the benefits, i wish alchemy paths branched out early :c

you can always wear a fencing jacket in the meantime.

[S3V3R]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by I44c:

Only thing i absolutedly despise about this is having to wait all the way to 5* to reap the benefits, i wish alchemy paths branched out early :c

you can always wear a fencing jacket in the meantime.

lol k

[Shamanalah]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

there is no objectively best armor.

Debatable.

In this current system the game rewards high dps high risk build rather than safe with higher defense.

In this case, the objectively best armor is the chaos set with the Swiftstrike buckler. The reason being is that with minimal amount towards UV you can attain dmg max, ctr max and asi max on everything rather than any other sets around.

Even the Black Kat set has it's downfall since you have to get CTR and ASI on your weapons to maximize the damage output. The only advantage BK sets bring is MSI and unless you speedrun (which 99% of the game population doesn't do) it doesn't have any benefit.

Chaos lvl 10 > with lvl 10 item > CTR max and dmg high. Get a trinket for gun dmg med and your sprite for sword dmg med, you are ctr max and dmg max with 0 asi right now. 0 money involved towards UV yet > Swiftstrike brings all weapon asi to high > roll ASI high on everything for full dmg output covered. Get an ASI med if you are poor (like I did) > you get everything max but asi in ultra. DMG output is almost maxed with not much investment.

Edit: The chaos has negative status and little to no useful defensive stats. You burn for 9-11 seconds and take lightning for as much. It's not a safe build at all.

[Fatmagic]

Edit: The chaos has negative status and little to no useful defensive stats. You burn for 9-11 seconds and take lightning for as much. It's not a safe build at all.

It can be worked around though. Stay stocked on Remedy Pills and use your shield to weather some of the damage (doesnt work against Fire but does against Shock). Freeze Resistance is of little help to begin with; it you get chain-frozen you're pretty much dead anyway.

I strongly disagree with your assessment of MSI though. Maybe it has little use for a Swordmaster, but for a Gunslinger and Bomber, two builds centered around mobility, having higher MSI can be a tremendous asset, particularly if you need to get away from something in a hurry and can't depend on Dodge or Shield Charge to do it.

My Gunslinger runs Perfect Mask of Seerus with Sacred Firefly Shade, SS Buckler and two Elite Trueshot Modules, gets me Ultra across the board and still leaves my Sprite perk free for MSI Medium. The difference between MSI Med and MSI none is very noticeable.

[Shamanalah]

Originally posted by Beetle☢Juicem:

I strongly disagree with your assessment of MSI though. Maybe it has little use for a Swordmaster, but for a Gunslinger and Bomber, two builds centered around mobility, having higher MSI can be a tremendous asset, particularly if you need to get away from something in a hurry and can't depend on Dodge or Shield Charge to do it.

I'm hybrid / pure bomber and MSI give some advantage but having all MSI buff from BK set is looking at ~30k ce (E) PLUS having to add another UV on all your weapons (or use another trinket)

I'm maxed with ASI high
You need CTR VH and ASI high on everything to be maxed with MSI, plus you need another trinket that I don't use (sprite is on MSI so you need 2 trinket for the dmg on 2 item type)

Objectively, BK set cost hell of a lot more to be maxed and allows you to be faster/dodge better
Objectively, Chaos is hell of a lot cheaper to be maxed and you get no MSI so you have less time to get out of harms way

Objectively, if you can dodge anything > Chaos reign supreme

Edit: I use mad bomber for my bombing runs with my sprite on MSI with a trinket dmg + I use a torto shield. I can do DaN without dying if you let me practice a bit, used 1 spark in my first go last time