How much McBurn's strength exactly is ?

[khiemlam1007]

In CS2, when first time class VII meet him, he is just kind of half-serious mode and then get serious but got interfered by Sara and later Noble. Second time meet in Infernal Castle, I feel like class VII just make him feel less bored, when he transform and got fight again Blademaster and somehow can Blademaster get sightly injured.
In CS3, In Crossbell, he outmatch Rean and Sharon. Then at top at tower, he just still in his half-serious mode. In final chapter, Class VII battle him again and he just say something like " Not bad, now I get serious", and just fight only 3 members of class VII with Steel Maiden.
In conclude, what is his motive? How much his strength when he use full power? When will he lie down on the floor and accept his defeat?

[BeastSlayer]

Dude is simply not human. He is like a demon god or something from another realm

Exactly how powerful? Nobody knows for sure, but I'd say he's as powerful as a daedric prince in Elder Scroll

[Zangato]

ITS OVEEEEER 9000!!!

[khiemlam1007]

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

Dude is simply not human. He is like a demon god or something

Exactly how powerful? Nobody knows for sure, but I'd say he's as powerful as a daedric prince in Elder Scroll [/quote]


He is demon god huh? Someone oppose Aidios or something?

And I don't play Elder Scroll so can't image

[Mistfox]

He was never serious in the previous games. He never even pulled out his sword. Remember Lianne said that he could have beaten her if he worked on his sword more? So he was already a sword user long time ago, yet he never bothered to use it at all.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Mistfox:

He was never serious in the previous games. He never even pulled out his sword. Remember Lianne said that he could have beaten her if he worked on his sword more? So he was already a sword user long time ago, yet he never bothered to use it at all.

McBurn is cool for sure, but I am kinda tired fighting him over and over again. He was so fearsome the first time, but after fighting him like 5 times, you just feel like "oh hey it's you again". Not to mention he is actually very nice compare to some other jerks in the villain camp.

Do you remember how many times do we have fight this dude? I'd say he is #1 over-used boss in the Trail series, and there is no doubt we will have to fight him again in the next arc.

[stm8022]

Originally posted by khiemlam1007:

When will he lie down on the floor and accept his defeat?

When he sees Dad of the Year don his business suit, he comments to the effect that hey, turns out there *is* someone who makes even McBurn look like a birthday cake candle, and who could easily wipe the floor with him. So yeah, not only he can accept a defeat, he can throw a towel in advance.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by stm8022:

Originally posted by khiemlam1007:

When will he lie down on the floor and accept his defeat?

When he sees Dad of the Year don his business suit, he comments to the effect that hey, turns out there *is* someone who makes even McBurn look like a birthday cake candle, and who could easily wipe the floor with him. So yeah, not only he can accept a defeat, he can throw a towel in advance.

Are you saying Osborne can defeat McBurn? I doubt it.

[stm8022]

That's what McBurn himself appears to believe; who am i to question his judgement in this regard?

[Dragon]

The correct answer: however much power they feel like giving him in any given moment. There is no set amount of power he has that is consistent across different moments and/or games.

Just like with the Bladelord Loewe from the Sky games. The Sky games spend extraordinary amounts of time building him up as a nigh-undefeatable BA...yet despite having done that, by the end of the second Sky game, they completely undermined everything about him, and turned him into a giant joke by having teenager Bracers Joshua & Estelle beat him down, and then Joshua also makes a further clown show humiliation out of him by beating him in 1 vs 1 hand to hand combat, even though both games explicitly said that Joshua's skill is nothing compared to his and that he (Loewe) is supposed to be the ultimate swordsman.

Then as of CS2, they further turn Loewe into more of a utter & disgraceful joke by saying that even Duvalie beat him, ROFL!

No doubt the same principle also holds true of McBurn, and/or any other villain in the Trails universe: no matter how long and how much Falcom has spent building them up to be an all-powerful BA, they can be still turned into a joke in an instant, just because Falcom feels like it, regardless of how badly it ruins the character and/or how terrible of writing it is to do that.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by stm8022:

That's what McBurn himself appears to believe; who am i to question his judgement in this regard?

Osborne will be defeated by Rean and his gang, while McBurn was like, "I am going to show you my true form!" 3 min later, "nah I was not serious. I was just playing with you. Have fun!" In the end Osborne is dead, and McBurn is still chilling around and still has not shown his true power.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Dragon:

The correct answer: however much power they feel like giving him in any given moment. There is no set amount of power he has that is consistent across different moments and/or games.

Just like with the Blademaster Loewe from the Sky games. The Sky games spend extraordinary amounts of time building him up as a nigh-undefeatable BA...yet despite having done that, by the end of the second Sky game, they completely undermined everything about him, and turned him into a giant joke by having teenager Bracers Joshua & Estelle beat him down, and then Joshua also makes a further clown show humilation out of him by beating him in 1 vs 1 hand to hand combat, even though both games explicitly said that Joshua's skill is nothing compared to his and that he (Loewe) is supposed to be the ultimate swordsman.

Then as of CS2, they further turn Loewe into more of a utter & disgraceful joke by saying that even Duvalie beat him, ROFL!

No doubt the same principle also holds true of McBurn, and/or any other villain in the Trails universe: no matter how long and how much Falcom has spent building them up to be an all-powerful BA, then can be turned into a joke in an instant just because Falcom feels like it, regardless of how badly it ruins the character and/or how terrible of writing it is to do that.

McBurn is a little different. He has never used his full power, or he will simply destroy everything, at least that's what he said in CS4. He is without a doubt, one of the most powerful supernatural beings in the series so far.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Dragon:

regardless of how badly it ruins the character and/or how terrible of writing it is to do that.

Oh so you DO get it when we tell you some things are out of character...

[Dragon]

Originally posted by Mistfox:

Oh so you DO get it when we tell you some things are out of character...

I agree that things can be out of character, but not that the specific things that you guys say are OOC actually qualify as being that.

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

McBurn is a little different. He has never used his full power, or he will simply destroy everything, at least that's what he said in CS4. He is without a doubt, one of the most powerful supernatural beings in the series so far.

Not really though, because all of his alleged/supposed power would be turned into a joke in an instant if the story necessitated that they ever truly needed to deal with him. Like say he was genuinely threatening the world instead of just joking around like he has done so far....then they'd write the story so that Rean and his Class VII band together and defeat McBurn all by themselves.

But they definitely wouldn't write it realistically or consistently with their previous hype about how powerful McBurn is. They'd never write a story, for example, of McBurn massacring all the heroes from all of the Trails up to this point...which by the way, would have also been the only realistic outcome for the newbie-ish heroes in Trails in the Sky when they fought many Enforcers all by themselves and also the Bladelord (but Falcom had to make the "good guys" win just because, even though doing that makes no sense at all, given their stated power levels).

So what good is McBurn's supposed 'power' if it's just an idea that will never actually amount to anything that is remotely close to what it has been hyped up to entail?

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Dragon:

Originally posted by Mistfox:

Oh so you DO get it when we tell you some things are out of character...

I agree that things can be out of character, but not that the specific things that you guys say are OOC actually qualify as being that.

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

McBurn is a little different. He has never used his full power, or he will simply destroy everything, at least that's what he said in CS4. He is without a doubt, one of the most powerful supernatural beings in the series so far.

Not really though, because all of his alleged/supposed power would be turned into a joke in an instant if the story necessitated that they ever truly needed to deal with him. Like say he was genuinely threatening the world instead of just joking around like he has done so far....then they'd write the story so that Rean and his Class VII band together and defeat McBurn all by themselves.

But they definitely write it realistically or consistently with their previous hype about how powerful McBurn is. They'd never write a story, for example, of McBurn massacring all the heroes from all of the Trails up to this point.

So what good is his supposed 'power' if it's just an idea that will never actually amount to anything?

Don't ask me, that's what the writers wrote anyway. And apparently he does not want to use his power to destroy the world because he is a nice guy, and he tagged along ouroboros just because it's convenient. He will very likely play a role in the next arc.

[Experiment1]

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

Originally posted by Dragon:

I agree that things can be out of character, but not that the specific things that you guys say are OOC actually qualify as being that.



Not really though, because all of his alleged/supposed power would be turned into a joke in an instant if the story necessitated that they ever truly needed to deal with him. Like say he was genuinely threatening the world instead of just joking around like he has done so far....then they'd write the story so that Rean and his Class VII band together and defeat McBurn all by themselves.

But they definitely write it realistically or consistently with their previous hype about how powerful McBurn is. They'd never write a story, for example, of McBurn massacring all the heroes from all of the Trails up to this point.

So what good is his supposed 'power' if it's just an idea that will never actually amount to anything?

Don't ask me, that's what the writers wrote anyway. And apparently he does not want to use his power to destroy the world because he is a nice guy, and he tagged along ouroboros just because it's convenient. He will very likely play a role in the next arc.

Let's hope there's more to him in the next arc. Let's also hope he gets a chance to introduce himself with a real name, instead of just "McBurn". Kind of a lame name given how powerful he is though.