The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III

The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III

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XzarDragon Nov 10, 2020 @ 1:10pm
How is the translation and PC port?
compared to Xseed?
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Koby Nov 10, 2020 @ 1:48pm 
It's pretty much on par. Both XSEED and NISA aren't perfect.

I noticed a couple typos throughout, but I've played more than 140hrs in the game and only had one issue where audio died in the prologue and then crashed the game but reloading the game and playing it through was fine, so I'm not even sure it was game related.
Kurosu Nov 10, 2020 @ 1:51pm 
PC port is good , better performance than the first 2 cold steel games.

As for the translation...I noticed a few mistakes in descriptions of quarts and food ( and it occured in CS4 as well). But nothing more severe than that.

PS : a certain someone that trolls the forums waging war on NISA for literally any reason tat can come to mind will claim otherwise. Please Ignore him .Not that NISA are saints ofc
Last edited by Kurosu; Nov 11, 2020 @ 10:03am
Xseed are probably the best JRPG translators in the business, and I don't care about the complaints from Japanese speakers who claim they localize too much. The point is to localize, not directly translate, and find a good balance. That being said, NISA stepped up with this one because some of their past translation efforts were awful. Wouldn't be surprised if they used some translators from CS1 and 2, or hired some Xseed people.
Its decent, XSEED did a great job with CS 1 and 2 but those were serendipitous scenarios. The few dialogue changes in CS3 weren't so intrusive, they were simply different idioms that could be have multiple interpretations so they were rephrased in a way that would sound more natural to the target audience. I've never played the Ys series, so I wasn't really aware of NISA's screw up but suffice to say that this should restore some confidence.

And ignore the user Dragon's post(s) when he finds this thread.
[sMil3] Nov 13, 2020 @ 5:53pm 
Cold Steel translations are horrible next to the Sky trilogy.
Dragon (Banned) Nov 13, 2020 @ 9:48pm 
Originally posted by XzarDragon:
compared to Xseed?

Terrible on both counts.

The NISA port is missing footage in at least one scene, and also contains dialogue that was censored in at least one instance that we know about, and possibly many more that we don't. No one has ever done a 1:1 comparison between every single line of the original version vs. the NISA version...therefore, without that having been done, there is no way to determine what all has and has not been censored.

In addition, NISA's CS3 audio files also use the lowest possible quality lossy format whereas XSEED's CS1 and CS2 use top quality ideal lossless WAV format.

On top of that, XSEED paid for 5,000 extra voiced lines per game for both CS1 and CS2, whereas NISA paid for zero extra voiced lines per game for either CS3 and/or CS4. Consequently, the NISA versions have a much lower ratio of story content to voiced-lines than do the XSEED versions.

Likewise, the NISA versions contain many scenes where some characters speak with their voices, and others do not...which is extremely immersion-breaking. Whereas the XSEED versions contain fully-voiced scenes for the scenes that feature voices in them at all.

The NISA version of CS3 also has at least one glaring typo in the translation that they never fixed, whereas the XSEED CS games have no typos AFAIK (although XSEED does have some typos in the first two Trails in the Sky games...but they might have fixed those since I played them, since they continually get new patches even years later).
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Koby Nov 13, 2020 @ 10:19pm 
Dragon being typical Dragon. He doesn't own the games legally, he pirated them... and he has actually admitted to not having played half the franchise yet he goes around the forum talking about stuff he doesn't know.

What he fails to understand is the exact issue he faults NISA for, exists in XSEEDs games too: timing of dub dialogue leading to some frames of some scenes being cut off. This has been pointed out to him dozens of times but since it doesn't fit his narrative of XSEED praise and NISA hate, he ignores it.

The censoring he talks about doesn't exist either. It's simply a localization choice.

He also lies about XSEED paying for additional voice lines. This has been proven false and restated countless times to him but he refuses to stop spreading misinformation because he wants to post unwarranted XSEED praise. The truth of the matter is that they failed to obtain the rights to include the Japanese audio upon the initial release so that money was spent in another way: voicing some more lines. They did eventually get the Japanese audio rights however. Also to point out, XSEEDs additional voiced lines only bring the games up to the amount of voiced lines NISA did for CS3 so to claim they did "more" is silly.

The whole not being voiced when speaking is not a NISA issue. It's a Falcom issue. The games were made that way. It's not a localizers job to reprogram the game and voice segments that weren't coded to be by the actual developer.

Claiming XSEED has no typos is laughable. Anyone who has played the games will know plenty of typos exist, even mistakes in item descriptions too.

So yeah, Dragon didn't get a single point correct. Misinformation is the only thing he seems to do.
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Dragon (Banned) Nov 13, 2020 @ 10:31pm 
Originally posted by Koby:

What he fails to understand is the exact issue he faults NISA for, exists in XSEEDs games too: timing of dub dialogue leading to some frames of some scenes being cut off.

I've never once seen any example of what you stated there actually happening in a published XSEED game from Falcom.

If such errors actually exist in an XSEED/Falcom game, then please link to a youtube Let's Play video that shows the moments wherein any missing footage occurs. I believe that no such thing exists. But if I'm wrong and it does, then it's a simple matter objectively to prove me wrong by linking to video evidence.

If no such links end up being posted in this thread, then that must be because there are no such errors that exist in XSEED/Falcom games.

On the other hand, I can link to evidence of NISA's missing footage from CS3 (which they've still never fixed over ~1.5 years after NISA were made aware of the problem as a result of me finding the error and then publicly disclosing it, soon after which others saw that information and informed NISA of the problem).

It's certainly no "lie" that XSEED paid for additional voice-lines. This is common knowledge and a well-known fact. It's even listed right on the Steam store pages for CS1 & CS2 as a Key Feature, and I quote: "50% more lines of English voice-overs have been added to the PC release, bringing a fresh experience to even those who have played it before on console."

Is there any comparable text on the NISA store pages for CS3 and/or CS4? No, there is not, thus the facts of reality prove what I've said to be true.

As for the assertion that "XSEED has no typos"...that's not what I said. Rather, I said AFAIK, XSEED's CS1 & CS2 has no typos.

And if it does, again, that's an easy matter to prove, by linking to a Let's Play video and/or screenshot of the erroneous dialogues in CS1 and/or CS2, if they exist. So let's see some proof?
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Koby Nov 13, 2020 @ 10:49pm 
Ah, the good ol' "do my homework for me" and "if you don't post it this time out of the dozens of times you have, then it must not be true" trope.

There's a reason why almost everyone in these boards pretty much immediately jump to "wait till Dragon finds this thread" and "ignore him if he does". Because practically everyone who goes through even one thread you've participated in ends up understanding exactly what the problem is. The moment you post in a thread, the topic of the thread shifts into people correcting everything you got wrong and re-explaining to you exactly the same exact thing that has been explained in dozens of other threads, because you refuse to stop spreading misinformation in your attempt to hate on NISA for a game you pirated.

Even when confronted with the truth you remain in denial and try to respout your lies to attempt to misinform others.

We've already gone over the missing frame issue and had actual staff from NISA comment on it and explain how and why it exists and they even talked about how it existed in previous games because of how the engine Falcom uses actually times things.

We've already gone over the fact that XSEED didn't pay anything extra for the additional lines. They spent money that was meant to go towards obtaining the Japanese audio. That's it. Nothing extra. Just spending funds they had to spend. Now stop saying the same lie over and over and put it to rest. You've had this explained to you at least 57 times by now. Surely even one as slow as you could comprehend it by now.

Instead of gatekeeping the series from newcomers. Why don't you stop pirating the games and actually go play them yourself?
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