The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III

The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III

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carl Sep 6, 2020 @ 2:01am
censored game ?
I heard that Nisa censored some parts of the game because "it is too sexist for western audiences"

I wont buy games who inject political corectness into its narrative ....

I am dissapointed ...

Is this accusation true ?
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Originally posted by btimofte100:
I heard that Nisa censored some parts of the game because "it is too sexist for western audiences"

I wont buy games who inject political corectness into its narrative ....

I am dissapointed ...

Is this accusation true ?

:lunar2019laughingpig:
A-tanatos-Ω Sep 6, 2020 @ 3:04am 
Originally posted by btimofte100:
I heard that Nisa censored some parts of the game because "it is too sexist for western audiences"

I wont buy games who inject political corectness into its narrative ....

I am dissapointed ...

Is this accusation true ?
Dunno about censored parts. All seems good to me.
And it's not about politics. Now it's all about US SJW. They can force dev to do censorship. Or dev simply don't sell anything.
So better deal with SJW. Otherwise all future games will be censored with black void and other stuff.
Kurosu Sep 6, 2020 @ 3:08am 
The games are not censored. In fact there are "sexual" refferences made all the time.

There was a rumor that CS3 will be a bit cencored since it was made by NISA but eventually it didnt happen.

There is only 1 person in the steam forums that somehow still claims they are heavily cencored, I suggest to ignore him.
Evil Gambio Sep 6, 2020 @ 3:30am 
There is nothing in the game that suggests censoring.

The accusation of this originally came about from a statement from one of the localizers about adapting things for a western audience in localisation which started this whole "censorship" thing.

In the end, the game's script has only had one instance that was found to potentially be worth scrutiny despite a very large chunk of the game's script being analysed.

And, on top of this, wether even that one line was a conscious decision is very very debatable because the original term in the script used here is highly up to interpretation and could be legitimately translated in a host of different ways.

Another instance was a slap scene where the final frames of the slap were cut. Turns out, the scene just transitions based on the length of the voice clip used there, and the english dub just uses a slightly shorter line that cuts out the last few frames of the slap (if you switch to japanese dub the scene will litterally play exactly as intended with the full slap even in international releases)

And those were the only 2 instances that were examined and scrutinised and both are duds basically. The game is not censored in any way basically. On top of that, there are more pressing issues you'd want to censor in the game if you actually cared (such as a scene that displays direct sexual assault)
A-tanatos-Ω Sep 6, 2020 @ 5:20am 
Originally posted by Evil Gambio:
such as a scene that displays direct sexual assault
It was little episodic funny joke, that has no effect on story.
Mistfox Sep 6, 2020 @ 5:55am 
Originally posted by a-tanatos-z:
Originally posted by Evil Gambio:
such as a scene that displays direct sexual assault
It was little episodic funny joke, that has no effect on story.
Yeah but it was honestly a bit disturbing though very in character for the person doing it.
Mistfox Sep 6, 2020 @ 6:19am 
Originally posted by btimofte100:
I heard that Nisa censored some parts of the game because "it is too sexist for western audiences"

I wont buy games who inject political corectness into its narrative ....

I am dissapointed ...

Is this accusation true ?

It's an overreaction by people with an agenda, the only 2 possible "censorship" scenes, the first was because it was due to the difference between the Japanese speech length and the English one, so the ending of the scene got snipped a bit, but you still hear the slap just fine. (Play the scene in Japanese and the whole thing comes out, the bug is in the audio timing)

The 2nd was due to differences in culture, the translated text could be read as "your "girl power" is surprisingly high" was localized as "you're surprisingly feminine" (with reference to someone cooking) because telling someone in the West that they have high "girl power" and they'll look at you funny.

These are the only 2 cases and IMO it's not even worth bothering considering that they don't even censor potential incest and molestation.

I suspect that when a group of people gets "taught" that anything that looks like censorship = evil, they have a kneejerk reaction to it, even when it is just their imagination. The biggest problem is that this "anti-censorship" group tends to shoot first and if they were wrong, "too bad, you had to die for the cause, even if it was an accident". A lot of innocents will get caught in the crossfire this way. They may "sound" righteous but in reality, they don't care even if innocents get run over by them.

Goals may matter but methods matter even more. Anti-censorship, yes. But CHECK FIRST THEN SHOOT! You can't unshoot bullets or mouths.
Dragon (Banned) Sep 6, 2020 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by btimofte100:
I heard that Nisa censored some parts of the game because "it is too sexist for western audiences"

I wont buy games who inject political corectness into its narrative ....

I am dissapointed ...

Is this accusation true ?

Yes, Cold Steel 3 is censored. There is one dialogue that we know for 100% certain has been censored from its original version in order to appease modern Western feminist ideology. This is an easily provable objective fact.

And no one knows how many other things also have been censored too, because no one has ever done a 1:1 comparison between every single line of the original script vs. the English script. So due to the absence of any such study ever having been done, then anyone who claims "it has not been censored" has no legitimate basis whatsoever for how they could possibly know that to be true.

Not to mention that it's a ludicrous assertion anyway because it's easily disprovable from the aforementioned example of definite, easily-observable censorship.

In addition, the English version has missing footage from at least one of the scenes in the game, footage that the Japanese version does have. The excuse given for this missing footage is 'timing issues' rather than censorship.

But it has the same effect on the player as if it were censorship. And this is something NISA should have fixed eons ago, and still should fix, yet never does for some inexplicable reason. Calling it 'timing issues' isn't a reasonable excuse for leaving the missing footage unrestored (which it still is unrestored as of the latest version in September 2020).

Originally posted by Evil Gambio:
such as a scene that displays direct sexual assault

There is no such depiction of 'sexual assault' in this game. That quoted statement is a misinterpretation of the scene. The two girls are joking around, and the one of them complains afterwards because she feels embarrassed at having been teased, but not because she feels 'assaulted,' which she doesn't.
Last edited by Dragon; Sep 6, 2020 @ 8:59am
Originally posted by Dragon:
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TL;DR

Might want to consider looking up what censorship actually is...

A translated line from the original is relatively ambiguous in meaning and what is essentially.. a bug is your only proof? How embarrassing.
Kurosu Sep 6, 2020 @ 9:25am 
Originally posted by the.jester:
Originally posted by Dragon:
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TL;DR

Might want to consider looking up what censorship actually is...

A translated line from the original is relatively ambiguous in meaning and what is essentially.. a bug is your only proof? How embarrassing.

Do not bother, he hasnt played CS3 nor does he even own it. He just has a grudge agaist NISA and one of his main arguments is "censoring".
alonkishon Sep 6, 2020 @ 9:33am 
censorship in CS3 equal to censorship on the book "Capital" which was wirtten by Karl, his whole idea and the historical anlysis is there but not his full name not there. Dragon for couple of month trying to claim no one did 1 VS 1, but Dlon93 did. He said there not censorship, only texts which are not the same as the jappenese. If you really want to ask someone, ask him. He also lead the Edited Script Project mode so have fun.

Originally posted by Mistfox:
Originally posted by a-tanatos-z:
It was little episodic funny joke, that has no effect on story.
Yeah but it was honestly a bit disturbing though very in character for the person doing it.

In AO it's worse, as it happen infornt everyone, and when the victim protest (in the translation the victim said is sexsual harassment) the party said lets leave it. I'm not calling to censor this secne, but I excpet the game to condemn it. Sexsual Harrsment sould not be a joke, I understand that you can seen that specific secne as a children play, and I agree you can change the secne to make it clear that it is Children play.
Last edited by alonkishon; Sep 6, 2020 @ 9:38am
Mistfox Sep 6, 2020 @ 2:25pm 
Dragon has some sort of hard on from watching slaps, so to him, that scene is the most important in the game. lol!

Everyone else is OK just knowing Kurt got slapped. Hell, they didn't even censor the "pak!!" sound and the next scene shows him holding his face. Everyone knows what happened. Some "censorship" that is. And can be restored just by setting the game back to Japanese voices.

Originally posted by Dragon:
There is no such depiction of 'sexual assault' in this game. That quoted statement is a misinterpretation of the scene. The two girls are joking around, and the one of them complains afterwards because she feels embarrassed at having been teased, but not because she feels 'assaulted,' which she doesn't.
You sure you're playing the same game we are? I do not recall Duvalie even having a single smile while being groped. That's like saying I'll grab you by the balls and call it "teasing" after you call the police. From the beginning, Duvalie was NEVER in any sort of mood for "teasing", especially after getting her breasts grabbed.

Sometimes I wonder if Dragon is really living in the same world as we do. His values system is so out of wack with the rest of the world's.
RapidFirE Sep 6, 2020 @ 2:54pm 
I don't think there's much evidence to suggest censorship with regards to sexism. If anything, the game is excessively sexual whenever a female character is involved to the point where it really gets to be annoying by the time the game is over.

At most, one could probably say that the localization is crap in some areas, producing some lines that sound really cringy in their attempt to appeal to Western audiences.
Kurosu Sep 6, 2020 @ 3:07pm 
Originally posted by Mistfox:

Sometimes I wonder if Dragon is really living in the same world as we do. His values system is so out of wack with the rest of the world's.

Personally I believe he just has some issues. He has said weird stuff like : he is 100% right on what he says, he is the most reliable and true source of information, and all those people that are correcting him are in fact " slandering accusations, lies, trying to stop him from spreading the truth". He even made a thread claiming there is a group of people in the forums that haunt him and demand moderatorss to ban their accounts. You can imagine how that turned out.

OR he is fully aware of what he is doing and the effect he has on others, therefore he is one of the most succesfull trolls in the steam forums.

In both scenarios he is extremely dedicated. There is not a single post concerning trail games play order, cencorship claims or story analysis that he doesnt make an appearance on. Those are 6 forums on Trais universe alone.
Last edited by Kurosu; Sep 6, 2020 @ 3:10pm
RyanEX2000 Sep 8, 2020 @ 6:11pm 
I'll give my two cents...censorship is never the answer. If you don't like something you don't play it or watch it. I don't like romantic comedies so I don't watch them. I don't start a petition to take the romance out of comedies or the comedy out of romances.

And in a game about teenagers killing random creatures and beating another within an inch of their lives or being beaten within an inch of theirs...you find a few words to be sexist of offensive or a girl receiving a slap disturbing then maybe the problem lies more with you than anyone else.

It's like MK11 ( I think it was) where they found the women's costumes to be "problematic". In a game where you literally kill people in graphic and gory detail. So I'll say it again...

There's never a good reason for censorship. Something either is for you or it isn't.
Last edited by RyanEX2000; Sep 9, 2020 @ 6:02am
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