Vs Spiegel S

[RyanEX2000]

Okay, I fully get that Aurelia is a beast hand to hand. She's worked for it based on the fact that she's a battle junkie and mastered the two main sword styles.

But when it comes to mech combat and she has Rean use Valimar I'm gonna call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It feels like the game spends most of it's time trying to keep Rean down by not letting him be more assertive about what he does and is capable of and to downplay anything he's accomplished. This is especially reflected in the way he reacts to students, especially the disrespectful ones like Ashe.

The mech battle against Aurelia should've been a one on one reverse battle with you as Aurelia trying to beat Valimar down to a point before the battle either ends or he just one shots you.

[Legendary Mr. Tiddles]

It's an established fact that weapon skill transfers 1:1 to Gundam piloting. Don't ask why.

[bugfragged]

I always wondered about weapon skill transferring to piloting. If that's the case, how did Rean win against Scarlet's Spiegel? Yes, Scarlet wasn't using her preferred weapon, but Rean was unarmed for that fight and should have been at a greater disadvantage in terms of weapon style. The only way to explain it is that the previous gen Spiegels are much weaker than Valimar while the newer Spiegels close the gap enough that Valimar can't just rely on superior stats.

[DLON]

I agree with you about Rean's character. His goody two shoes attitude is beyond annoying sometimes, and makes him look so weak. I wish he was more edgy. Just a bit at least.

[RyanEX2000]

Originally posted by Dlon93:

I agree with you about Rean's character. His goody two shoes attitude is beyond annoying sometimes, and makes him look so weak. I wish he was more edgy. Just a bit at least.

Not even so much edgy, just stop being defensive all the time. Maybe give some snark when some of the ladies (Musse) try to insinuate things.

As for the rest of it, I could buy the Gundam logic, if he gave a better fight against Crow back in the first game and first half of the second. Instead we get Crow's speech about how he'd been piloting for years while Rean had only been for a few months. And the game, if I read it correctly, gives the impression that Aurelia is more Goku than Freeza. As in it's more that she trains hard rather than being a genius.

And then there's the simple superior specs of Valimar to Soldat and that Valimar is also self aware so it's almost as if she's fighting two opponents instead of one.

Maybe I'm just overthinking it, since if Rean wasn't such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ pansy 90% of the time and actually needed a dose of humility from time to time I'd be fine with it. But the guy's only redeeming feature is how popular he is with the ladies. And on that note, the bath scene in chapter 3 almost gives the impression that Aurelia HAD been giving some thought on how to get into his pants :D.

[The Tempted Man]

Originally posted by bugfragged:

I always wondered about weapon skill transferring to piloting. If that's the case, how did Rean win against Scarlet's Spiegel? Yes, Scarlet wasn't using her preferred weapon, but Rean was unarmed for that fight and should have been at a greater disadvantage in terms of weapon style. The only way to explain it is that the previous gen Spiegels are much weaker than Valimar while the newer Spiegels close the gap enough that Valimar can't just rely on superior stats.

deus ex machina. Like usual in Falcom games.

[RyanEX2000]

Gets even worse at final part of Chapter 3 when you're storming the fortress and Zephyr tell you how you can't since you don't have an actual leader.

In my head I'm "The ♥♥♥♥ you saying? Who was it leading the group in Trails 2! Just let Rean one thing...just ONE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing...please." Gets to the point where you wonder what's the point of him being the protagonist.

[Histidine]

CS3 sets up Aurelia as goddess among mortals in general. But easily besting a Divine Knight might indeed be taking it too far.

The fortress scene was based on an asinine premise to begin with. I was like, why the literal ♥♥♥♥ are y'all arguing about who gets to storm the impregnable fortress with a double-plus-ultra hard battle at the end? Do you want glory, or do you want to complete the mission? Are there not enough enemies inside to go around or something?

[RyanEX2000]

Technically she didn't win, but the game had Rean being his usual pansy self saying how that he and Randy together only had a 30% chance of winning.

Don't get me wrong, I like Aurelia and she's the only waifu I'd have Rean romance besides Emma if the option was there...but damn if she isn't a character in need of some humble cake shoved down her throat. She should've lost to the Maiden, even with Rean's help and, just to be fair, should've lost her duel to the Viscount due to her shaken confidence with him commenting on the fact. Or at least have her acknowledge that he was lying when he said the injuries he suffered from Mc.Burn didn't affect the outcome.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by RyanEX2000:

Technically she didn't win, but the game had Rean being his usual pansy self saying how that he and Randy together only had a 30% chance of winning.

Don't get me wrong, I like Aurelia and she's the only waifu I'd have Rean romance besides Emma if the option was there...but damn if she isn't a character in need of some humble cake shoved down her throat. She should've lost to the Maiden, even with Rean's help and, just to be fair, should've lost her duel to the Viscount due to her shaken confidence with him commenting on the fact. Or at least have her acknowledge that he was lying when he said the injuries he suffered from Mc.Burn didn't affect the outcome.

Nah, she's ok as the crazy warrior queen, her flaws are that she is totally clueless socially lol.

Originally posted by Histidine:

The fortress scene was based on an asinine premise to begin with

If you really want to talk about stupid, remember this. She came in via airship. So what was stopping them from flying to the top of the fortress instead of going up floor by floor in the first place? Or even just getting Valimar and the other mechs to just jump/fly up there? Especially since the doors in the fortress are locked.

[RyanEX2000]

Nah, she doesn't come across clueless until it comes to relationships. Remember she is the head of a noble family so she would've been trained in things like etiquette and considering how she's a perfectionist she'd do her best in it.

I'd venture a guess that her lifestyle and reputation pretty much scared away most suitors so she has no real experience on how to handle people that interest her. Gives some validation to some rumors that she was intended to have bond events like Claire for a possible romancing in the fourth game.

And yes, jumping out of the airship and fighting through the fortress was retarded.

[Nimilanor]

I think many of reans flaws and weaknesses can be traced down to his ogre power... his inability to.. make peace? or atleast harness it proper for more than a few minutes / seconds at best.. I feel Is the main problem... as you could kinda see when he went ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in act 4 final boss fights. 0 controll in 3 games worths he hasnt developed an ounce of synergy.. from what happened in the north ambria war.. you could even go as far as saying due to the overload hes now in a weakened state permanently due to that same inability to understand / utilize his power.

as for aurelia and bonds Id figured bardias was a proper suitor tbh. rather than rean. also lets not forget that (dont quote me here.. Valimar is one of the weakest across the board when it comes to the 7 knights, also ogre power blah blah.) would make sense that the tech put into the soldats now rival its power vs a verry skilled person aka aurelia whos got several years of practice and mastering not 1 but 2 styles.. vs rean that hasnt even mastered a single one leaf blade styles.
Id almost say its fair that aurelia is like a divine blade x2.. with her mastery.

Also lets not forget rean constantly needs to remind himself that he needs more training.. but I feel he forgets the biggest factor.. self confidence.. and also reliance on others.. he seems to not accept that others put themselves on the line for him.. CS1 ending.. and several other scenes in cs2 and 3...Rean is a verry Interesting on both spectrums.. but in the broadest.. he needs to get his ♥♥♥♥ sorted.. and I feel we need to get his mentor involved in it to make it happen imo.

[RyanEX2000]

You're a bit off. He did develop synergy in CS1 and CS2 since he was able to use it. Problem lies in when his emotions go beyond a certain point and he loses control, like when he sister was in danger, when his father got shot and when Millium...you know.

And he's not weakened in CS3. You get constant references from other characters of him "holding back". After what happened he's effectively shackled himself to limit the risk of losing control. Hell you have Kurt in the first dungeon thinking to himself that there's nothing "special" about Rean to warrant the amount of attention he's garnered.

As for Aurelia you can see that she's either never considered or decided against Bardias in the way she references "finding a husband and popping out a few heirs". As for the bonds she, just like pretty much every major lady, seems to develop an interest in Rean to the point you'd almost think she was trying to groom him into being that husband. And i wouldn't class Valimar as the weakest. It's just the usual shounen trope of "hidden power" and "the need to awaken it" and the fact that Rean is the youngest and least experienced out of all of them...least till the 7th Knight shows up.

And Rean constantly trains, his problem is that he sets ridiculous standards for himself to attain. Rean could solo one shot a Golem Knight and still find something wrong with how he did things. On one hand you could say he's a perfectionist, but I think it's just a lack of confidence in himself. Which most people that play the game seem to also think which is why Rean gets so much flak.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by RyanEX2000:

which is why Rean gets so much flak.

*hands Ryan another case of 88mm rounds*
Really? I think we're still short a few more rounds from what he really deserves. lol.

[Nimilanor]

hes not wrong to be fair.. I think the biggest issue myself and ryan.. Is and we agree on Is that rean has a massive persona disorder wich is accredited and fueled as CS3 ending, he Is a tryhard inside, but now he needs to nurture and fostre a new class seven like sara did only problem is a world war.. no divine knight newly awakening and erebonia is now full on war taking on calvard.. and potentially absorbing liberl as they pose no real warfaring might.. unless the church decides its go time...