is it just me or does Agate look like 90% final fantasy 7 remake reference ?

[Miesmann - allkeyshop]

"bustersword" with materia slot, barret t-shirt, outer jacket looks bit like barrets, tifas gloves clouds poses, red 13's scar on cheek, clouds shoulder armour, barrets shoes.
clouds lv 1 limit as 80sp skill, same voice actor done small part in ff7r.
barrets amulet, tifas belt, aeriths red jacket,
barrets gun hand belt on agates other side hand.
red hair reminds me of red...

i dunno if im crazy or its just huge coincidence

[Mistfox]

You're crazy lol.
He was a character in Trails in the Sky that came out 1995. The original Final Fantasy 7 came out 1997, 2 years after Trails.

[Miesmann - allkeyshop]

oh well atleast he looks super cool, too bad ff7r felt like flop :P

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Mistfox:

You're crazy lol.
He was a character in Trails in the Sky that came out 1995. The original Final Fantasy 7 came out 1997, 2 years after Trails.

Sky came out in 2004...

The original Legend of heroes has nothing to do with the trails games


The bastard sword could be the original FF7 reference, but Agate is nothing like Cloud. FF7 remade came out this year while CS3 came out in 2017 so pretty sure there is no FF7 remade reference. There are very few video game / anime voice actors, so you see them everywhere, it's just a coincidence.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Miesmann:

oh well atleast he looks super cool, too bad ff7r felt like flop :P

It sold millions of copies in a few days, I am sure it felt like flop to you.

[Miesmann - allkeyshop]

thats just my personal preference for paying full price for 35h game, where evry other ff title game i spended about 100h till the end, square made me feel like being scammed lol

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Miesmann:

thats just my personal preference for paying full price for 35h game, where evry other ff title game i spended about 100h till the end, square made me feel like being scammed lol

It does not make it a flop though.

It sounds like FF7R is targeting the mainstream and casual player. I am sure a lot of hard core JRPG fans might get disappointed, but it is not necessarily a bad thing.

I have not played FF7R yet. Out of the other FF games I have played, I spent like 30-40h grinding out of the 100h play time, which are pretty hardcord. I felt like they could really cut down some of that grinding.

[Miesmann - allkeyshop]

hmm they could have atleast added more rpg content to its pure hack and slash during the 17 years development and increased the areas you could have visited more than with like 10% from original content.
where 50% midgar feels like.. unexplored wasted potential, not to mention the final chapter twist that most old fans dosnt seem to like

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

Originally posted by Mistfox:

You're crazy lol.
He was a character in Trails in the Sky that came out 1995. The original Final Fantasy 7 came out 1997, 2 years after Trails.

Sky came out in 2004...

Odd, could have sworn it was earlier. Or maybe age is catching up with me. lol.

[Kyle G]

Agate's original appearance in the Sky trilogy reminded me of Cloud. But it was mostly the giant sword and shoulder guard. There's plenty of differences in their overall clothing/design. I miss Agate's head band though.

[Dragon]

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

The original Legend of heroes has nothing to do with the trails games

The bastard sword could be the original FF7 reference,

And the Trails games have nothing to do with the FF games, especially the terrible later ones like FF7 and/or FF7 Remake.

So no, Agate cannot be "a reference" to Cloud.

There is nothing new or innovative or original about a warrior who carries a huge sword. FF7 is definitely not the first place where that's ever happened. They certainly did not 'invent' the concept.

Originally posted by Miesmann:

thats just my personal preference for paying full price for 35h game, where evry other ff title game i spended about 100h till the end, square made me feel like being scammed lol

Let's hope that continues.

There's actually a lot of people who hate how the Trails games are long and have tons of content, and they proactively advocate for Falcom to start making super short, rip-off games instead (but which will still be sold for $60 USD MSRP despite being short), and they say things like 12 hour long games are better than Trails games solely because the 12 hour long games have better graphics.

If Falcom starts listening to that kind of terrible advice, then future Trails games will definitely become scams.

[BeastSlayer]

Originally posted by Dragon:

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

The original Legend of heroes has nothing to do with the trails games

The bastard sword could be the original FF7 reference,

And the Trails games have nothing to do with the FF games, especially the terrible later ones like FF7 and/or FF7 Remake.

So no, Agate cannot be "a reference" to Cloud.

There is nothing new or innovative or original about a warrior who carries a huge sword. FF7 is definitely not the first place where that's ever happened. They certainly did not 'invent' the concept.

Originally posted by Miesmann:

thats just my personal preference for paying full price for 35h game, where evry other ff title game i spended about 100h till the end, square made me feel like being scammed lol

Let's hope that continues.

There's actually a lot of people who hate how the Trails games are long and have tons of content, and they proactively advocate for Falcom to start making super short, rip-off games instead (but which will still be sold for $60 USD MSRP despite being short), and they say things like 12 hour long games are better than Trails games solely because the 12 hour long games have better graphics.

If Falcom starts listening to that kind of terrible advice, then future Trails games will definitely become scams.

1. FF7 was The most famous JRPG of all time outside of Japan and it came out in 1997 years before Trails in the Sky (2004). Cloud is probably the orignal JRPG protagonist that uses unrealistically huge bastard sword. So yes, Agate can be a reference to Cloud.

2. Yeah you are always saying longer games are better. Have you played MMORPGs? Strategy games? You can easily sink thousands of hours into those games. Does it makes them better than all the JRPGs? Maybe not. Does a longer VN have bertter story than a shorter VN? Maybe not. Does a long TV show better than a movie? Maybe not. You know what is rip-off? The consumable DLC of the CS games. It costs $132.26 for all the DLC in CS3. You can expect all future Falcom titles have more and more DLCs

[NisseDood]

The funny thing is that the consumable dlc are so pointless that I dont know why Falcom even bother.
Why pay for some ♥♥♥♥ consumable dlc when I could just play on easy and beat the game blindfolded and without any strategy?
Its not like the game got anything locked behind playing it on harder difficulties or anything.
Another thing would be if it was like Agarest where true ending is Hardest only and the game is brutally grindy with mind numbing combat.

[Koby]

Originally posted by BeastSlayer:

The consumable DLC of the CS games. It costs $132.26 for all the DLC in CS3.

Hmm, I bought the limited deluxe edition of the game on day one release day for $61, which included over 50 of the DLC. The remaining DLC was in a bundle on sale over a Humble a few weeks later for $17.99 so I went ahead and purchased it just because. So all in all, I have about $79 in the game with ALL DLC. No reason for anyone to ever pay such an outrageous amount for the DLC alone.

[stm8022]

Originally posted by NisseDood:

Why pay for some ♥♥♥♥ consumable dlc when I could just play on easy and beat the game blindfolded and without any strategy?

If you didn't yet notice some "hardcore gamers" like to to delude themselves that playing a game+ on "hardcore" difficulty with help of items and accumulated levels/gear that make the content more trivial than the cold run on "easy" setting, is somehow a display of "skill".

[Miesmann - allkeyshop]

good example of fake gamer OR the issue being games own difficulty spikes, like on Cold Steel 3 normal difficulty = 1 turn kill boss (insert name here)
hard difficulty = you might take 4 min to 30 min to fight same boss (witch offcourse feels better)

im still pissed off for not refunding FF7R, crappy casual hack and slash game with nothing to do with rpg element