Why is Chancellor Osborne Evil?

[Edwardlloyd]

he is cool asf. he does what he does for his country and he is extremely capable. Ironbloods clearly like him. Annexing other countries really does nothing to them. F*** off juna with your partisan ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

granted i first played cs1 and cs2 and i was seriously shocked after i played Sky trilogy that he was a bad guy.

havent finished cs3 yet, but he also seemed to care for Rean at the end of cs2. but cs3 starts and he calls him worthless, for what exactly? Forced evil in my eyes lol

[Royard]

Forced huh. Maybe you'll change your mind after you'll finish CS3 or maybe not and will be still forced to you.

[Edwardlloyd]

thanos was also right

[Royard]

yeah. killing people is a right thing to do.... ofc -_-

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Edwardlloyd:

he is cool asf. he does what he does for his country and he is extremely capable. Ironbloods clearly like him. Annexing other countries really does nothing to them. F*** off juna with your partisan ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t.

granted i first played cs1 and cs2 and i was seriously shocked after i played Sky trilogy that he was a bad guy.

havent finished cs3 yet, but he also seemed to care for Rean at the end of cs2. but cs3 starts and he calls him worthless, for what exactly? Forced evil in my eyes lol

He's heartless. lol.
And it's a joke. You'll get it when you're close to the end.

[ArchmageXin]

I feel the issue is most people who play this game view Osborne through the lens of someone in a 21st century western demoracy. Where human rights are enshrined as cornerstone of any Government (At least in western Europe).

In term of politics, Trails is somewhere around early industrial revolution, late 19th century Imperialist political structure. If you view through THOSE lens, then you realize that Osborne is an ideal leader for those times. He is not greedy, he have goals, and and he determined to bring his country out of its backwardness and crush those who impede the process of his country. His opponents play dirty, there is no reason he need to play the saint.

Finally, remember Osborne is literally modeled after German Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck. And Bismarck is considered one of the greatest hero of Germany. Some of the most powerful countries in the world had a "Osborne" in their time one way or another. Even sainted George Washington pillaged Indian villages in the name of national security.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by ArchmageXin:

Even sainted George Washington pillaged Indian villages in the name of national security.

I don't think "Sainted" is the right term to use considering that he was never canonized as far as I can remember.

Though I do agree Osborne a strict leader, but it isn't his economic goals that is "evil", it's the fact that he wants to destroy the world lol. And even then, he has his reasons.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Throughout the entire Trails series, Osborne's MO has been to:

1. Identify people who are obstacles to him amassing more power or Erebonia becoming stronger, more prosperous.

2. Antagonize his opponents, put pressure on them to lash out.

3. Enable his opponents to lash out at him by allowing weapons to fall into their hands (Aions. Red Constellation, Soldats, etc).

4. Sit back and let his enemies attack first, all the while secretly hamstringing his opponents so that they can't do too much damage. Then, Osborne can proclaim that Erebonia was attacked first, making out his enemies to be his aggressors. Then, because the game was rigged the entire time, his enemies can't effectively fight him and he crushes them.

5. Confiscate his defeated enemy's assets (such as the Noble Alliance's Soldats and Airships).

6. Rinse and repeat.

What makes Osborne evil is that he has been coercing people to commit evil so that he can crush them and profit off of their corpses. He is a liar and a thief who has torn down so many people, destroyed so many lives, all in the pursuit of power and wealth. What makes it even more aggravating is how he gets away with it all scot free, due to his manipulations, his charisma, and his censorship of the media. It's disgusting.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Val the Moofia Boss:

Throughout the entire Trails series, Osborne's MO has been to:

1. Identify people who are obstacles to him amassing more power or Erebonia becoming stronger, more prosperous.

2. Antagonize his opponents, put pressure on them to lash out.

3. Enable his opponents to lash out at him by allowing weapons to fall into their hands (Aions. Red Constellation, Soldats, etc).

4. Sit back and let his enemies attack first, all the while secretly hamstringing his opponents so that they can't do too much damage. Then, Osborne can proclaim that Erebonia was attacked first, making out his enemies to be his aggressors. Then, because the game was rigged the entire time, his enemies can't effectively fight him and he crushes them.

5. Confiscate his defeated enemy's assets (such as the Noble Alliance's Soldats and Airships).

6. Rinse and repeat.

What makes Osborne evil is that he has been coercing people to commit evil so that he can crush them and profit off of their corpses. He is a liar and a thief who has torn down so many people, destroyed so many lives, all in the pursuit of power and wealth. What makes it even more aggravating is how he gets away with it all scot free, due to his manipulations, his charisma, and his censorship of the media. It's disgusting.

Welcome to real life. This was how the world was like circa 1918. They don't call that period of time "The Great Game" for nothing. Though I don't think it's "for wealth and power", he has a different goal and it's related to the Curse of Erebonia. I mean, even for that goal, the Emperor was already planning his own death.

To be honest, I never saw his supposed "world conquest" plan having any chance at all of working. There was no way someone would court an internal rebellion (with the Nationalization Act AND the Metropolis plan) and a foreign enemy at the same time if he wanted to succeed. That just causes an external war and a civil war at the same time.

[Evangela]

I don't care if he's good or bad, but if I'm Rean, and he's trying to pull something funny on me or my wives, I'd kill him.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Evangela:

or my wives

ROFL.
Have you considered the possibility that since you are using his heart, him croaking might mean YOU will kneel over dead as well?

[Evangela]

Throw his heart away, and then use my own heart.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Evangela:

Throw his heart away, and then use my own heart.

Spoiler and yours was destroyed 14 years ago.
I nominate you for "Most likely to end up killing yourself" award lol.
I would put Darwin Awards but that one is for people who successfully did it.

[ArchmageXin]

Originally posted by Val the Moofia Boss:

Throughout the entire Trails series, Osborne's MO has been to:

1. Identify people who are obstacles to him amassing more power or Erebonia becoming stronger, more prosperous.

2. Antagonize his opponents, put pressure on them to lash out.

3. Enable his opponents to lash out at him by allowing weapons to fall into their hands (Aions. Red Constellation, Soldats, etc).

4. Sit back and let his enemies attack first, all the while secretly hamstringing his opponents so that they can't do too much damage. Then, Osborne can proclaim that Erebonia was attacked first, making out his enemies to be his aggressors. Then, because the game was rigged the entire time, his enemies can't effectively fight him and he crushes them.

5. Confiscate his defeated enemy's assets (such as the Noble Alliance's Soldats and Airships).

6. Rinse and repeat.

What makes Osborne evil is that he has been coercing people to commit evil so that he can crush them and profit off of their corpses. He is a liar and a thief who has torn down so many people, destroyed so many lives, all in the pursuit of power and wealth. What makes it even more aggravating is how he gets away with it all scot free, due to his manipulations, his charisma, and his censorship of the media. It's disgusting.

He also

1) Promote Commoners into places of power.

2) Economic reforms that benefit all of Erebonia instead of the noble class.

3) His gains of resources are for all of Erebonia, not just himself. There is no evidence in game he personally profit in this.

4) Promote techinical advances--which is very important given how badly Erebonia is behind compared to other nations. Especially the Rubpulic which is an idealogical enemy of the empire.

5) Curb noble excess-See masscre at Hamel. Nobles literally murder villagers so they can start an war.

[Edwardlloyd]

Originally posted by ArchmageXin:

I feel the issue is most people who play this game view Osborne through the lens of someone in a 21st century western demoracy. Where human rights are enshrined as cornerstone of any Government (At least in western Europe).

In term of politics, Trails is somewhere around early industrial revolution, late 19th century Imperialist political structure. If you view through THOSE lens, then you realize that Osborne is an ideal leader for those times. He is not greedy, he have goals, and and he determined to bring his country out of its backwardness and crush those who impede the process of his country. His opponents play dirty, there is no reason he need to play the saint.

Finally, remember Osborne is literally modeled after German Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck. And Bismarck is considered one of the greatest hero of Germany. Some of the most powerful countries in the world had a "Osborne" in their time one way or another. Even sainted George Washington pillaged Indian villages in the name of national security.

my man

[TankHunter678]

Osborne is literally an overprotective super Dad.

Osborne may have struck a deal with a Devil (Ishmelga), saving his son despite his son being cursed in the process, but he is twisting the Devil's own plan to kill said Devil to free his Son from the Devils Curse even at the cost of his own life to save his Son's life.

That is why he has done everything in accordance with the Devil's Plan while also moving behind the scenes to put Rean in situations where he will grow strong enough to overcome everything in his path. Including the Devil himself.

Even if he gets decried as a villain his son will live on as the Hero who stopped the villain and saved the world, not only from a world war but from the Devil who wanted to become a God through using a World War to bring the Sept-Terrion of Steel back and fuse with it.

If Elise was in a similar position Rean is currently is Rean would do the exact same kind of things Osborne is doing if that is what it took to save her. Like Father like Son.

Oh and Osborne is not connected to the heart in Rean's chest anymore. That heart is Rean's now through a successful heart transplant. So Osborne is free to die without having any effect on Rean's physical heart.