Morality is just so busted in this game...**Spoilers**

[rservello]

When Sebastian uses Imperio on the goblin his uncle loses it, saying he went too far using an unforgivable curse to save his sister. But if he had used Diffindo to cut him in half, or Confringo to blow his ass up he would have been totally cool with it. End result is the goblin is dead. Since there are NO debuffs or in story consequences to curses I don't see the point of this posturing. It's just bad writing and "role-playing"

[Theta]

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

Originally posted by Theta:

In the books they are purely evil. Only evil people use them.

I know, i read the books. Im just saying this is my personal opinion about it. It is how you use them that determines if there evil or not. I think the writing in the games is also a reflection of this idea, that the character who uses them is not inherintly evil, but how they use them. Like Sebastin, if my sister was in trouble from something i could figure out, even if i had to learn about dark arts, i would try to save her too.

I persoanlly totally agree. A spell is just a spell. All depends on how you use it.
Imperio could be fun with friends and no malicious intent.
Avada Kedavra would be the the fastest/simplest way to execute someone.
Using incendio could easily be as painful as crucio

[rservello]

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

Originally posted by Theta:

In the books I would say so. But this game... id say weak writing/worldbuilding.

I think they made it on purpose open ended to make you imagine if your character is evil or not. Alot of old games used this same method to fill in narrative. Sure, it is a bit weak, but i think this what they were going with..that the player themselves decided if the dark arts are pure evil or not. If your hard core fan of the series and books, yes, they are evil, but i think there trying to show you methods when it can be used for something else in the game.

Sure, if you're a fan it has gravitas. My daughter refused to learn the killing curse at the end of her run because she's a big fan and understood what that meant. To me tho, it's like playing DOOM and not using the BFG because it's just too much gun for one person!

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originally posted by Theta:

Originally posted by RPG Gamer Man:

I know, i read the books. Im just saying this is my personal opinion about it. It is how you use them that determines if there evil or not. I think the writing in the games is also a reflection of this idea, that the character who uses them is not inherintly evil, but how they use them. Like Sebastin, if my sister was in trouble from something i could figure out, even if i had to learn about dark arts, i would try to save her too.

I persoanlly totally agree. A spell is just a spell. All depends on how you use it.
Imperio could be fun with friends and no malicious intent.
Avada Kedavra would be the the fastest/simplest way to execute someone.
Using incendio could easily be as painful as crucio

I actually think Bombardo would be worse to use against someone, like putting a sticky bomb on them and blowing them up. I guess in a way all spells could be used for evil or good depending on how they are used...

NOTE: Bombardo btw, is a curse too, but not a unforgivable one. So does that mean you won't use it to win merlin trials or break down walls too?

[Morsealworth]

Originally posted by Dream hunter zero:

Same can be applied to crucio: sure it's only purpose is to inflict pain but with a bit of creativity you could torture someone far worse using any non ''unforgivable'' spell.

In the original lore, transfigutarion is permanent. The Polyjuice potion literally has two functions - transform into another person and transform back. Only the second functions gets broken if the target is not human.

Now, use a transfiguration spell to turn a person into a chair or a table, simirat ot one of the spells professor McGonagall uses as a demonstration for the first years, turning her desk into an animal and into desk again... And your victim will have no mouth to scream.

[Lugulbanda]

as i sayed in annother post, Morality in this game is ... well not existing, u can do what u want u allways get prised to be nice and good... u run around steal things from people rob theyr housesd, bully other mages in the wild or even kill hundrets of them but if sebastian does the same on his uncle its bad... well... for me the game fokused to much on battling, instead offering other ways to do thing then kill everything on sight taht is red... even if u collect animals and sell them ur the good guy, while u on the other hand kill others wich do the same...

[Theta]

Yeah they even have some weak reasoning in the books. Sectumsempra..? or w/e the halfblood prince created. Is almost the same as the severing charm Diffindo.
It cuts ♥♥♥♥. Precisely.
Sectumsempra cuts things and then makes it bleed.
But sectum is bad.

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originally posted by Morsealworth:

Originally posted by Dream hunter zero:

Same can be applied to crucio: sure it's only purpose is to inflict pain but with a bit of creativity you could torture someone far worse using any non ''unforgivable'' spell.

In the original lore, transfigutarion is permanent. The Polyjuice potion literally has two functions - transform into another person and transform back. Only the second functions gets broken if the target is not human.

Now, use a transfiguration spell to turn a person into a chair or a table, simirat ot one of the spells professor McGonagall uses as a demonstration for the first years, turning her desk into an animal and into desk again... And your victim will have no mouth to scream.

In the sims 4, if you have realm of magic, you can turn other sims into innaminate objects too. I always do it from another room and they turn into either a suit of armour or a gnome statue. I find it funny, like doing a gag.

[Guru Dipshit]

yeah, it just isn't hogwarts without being in detention every week, always on the verge of being expelled, the drama of trying to do the right thing and nobody listening to you... the hard choices and heavy consequences. the dark arts should at the very least provoke some kind of dialogue or make people attack you like when you accidentally pick up a blue mountain flower in skyrim XD

[RPG Gamer Man]

Originally posted by Theta:

Yeah they even have some weak reasoning in the books. Sectumsempra..? or w/e the halfblood prince created. Is almost the same as the severing charm Diffindo.
It cuts ♥♥♥♥. Precisely. Sectumsempra cuts things and then makes it bleed.
But sectum is bad.

Yea, Sectumsempra is like the evolved version of Sectum...yet even harry potter used it, and i think it was a evil spell...lol.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Why do all the brainlets flock to "bad writing" the absolute first second they stumble upon something that vaguely resembles a plothole. Have you guys ever read a book or played a game that was actually poorly written? HL is not poorly written, even if it's not amazing either.

Crucio is one of the big three unforgivable curses. It's strongly outlined in the cannon why. Crucio serves no other purpose but to inflict pain, and all unforgivables must be cast with harmful intent only. I saw another user make the comparison of a knife to a gun: the first can kill surely, but that's not its only purpose. The second is just to kill.

It is poorly written. The NPCs don’t feel lifelike. They constantly kiss my ass. Side quests are all so boring. Unlike RDR2 and TW3.

[GeoG85]

You're an angel to your family members. A demon to your enemies. And society uses propaganda to sway this one way or the other. "He's an angel, he wouldn't hurt a fly." Was he around family? "He's a demon. Just look at him." Was he around his enemies?

They curse the Demon side of man, as he wages war with man. They call the angelic family side of man weakness, as he tends to his flock.

It's quite boring, the hypocrasy of Man.

[rservello]

Originally posted by The Orange and Blue Ninja:

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Why do all the brainlets flock to "bad writing" the absolute first second they stumble upon something that vaguely resembles a plothole. Have you guys ever read a book or played a game that was actually poorly written? HL is not poorly written, even if it's not amazing either.

Crucio is one of the big three unforgivable curses. It's strongly outlined in the cannon why. Crucio serves no other purpose but to inflict pain, and all unforgivables must be cast with harmful intent only. I saw another user make the comparison of a knife to a gun: the first can kill surely, but that's not its only purpose. The second is just to kill.

It is poorly written. The NPCs don’t feel lifelike. They constantly kiss my ass. Side quests are all so boring. Unlike RDR2 and TW3.

I was thinking about RDR2 while playing it too. Your actions have weight and will actually change the story/course. If you're a murdering, train robbing piece of crap, you will change the course of the game and characters attitude towards you. The only issue I had was, you are forced into story quest that make you do EXACTLY that, rob people, murder, beat, etc. So you can play as a purely good character, but you still have to do evil things for the story.

[Dreadstone]

Is it better to kill somebody with a knife, or a gun? What if I kill someone in self-defense, or in the defense of others? (Note, not trying to turn this into a gun control debate)

Do the Curse spells take the victim's soul?

Does that mean Spiders have souls? (Because Acromantula has eaten at least one death curse from me)

********************* Long ******************

(Hypothetical situation)

There is a busload of school children somewhere in your area with a bomb on the bus. You don't know where.

The bomb is timed, meaning sooner, rather than later, the bomb will go off, killing said children.

While you don't have the bomb-maker, or bomb-placer in custody, you have captured an associate who does. However, said associate will not cooperate. No amount of cajoling, bribery, promise of reduced sentence, or promise of death via lethal injection will sway them.

The clock is ticking.

Do you, A, bring in bolt cutters and start removing fingers and toes, or,

B, take the moral high ground and when said bomb goes off (killing the children), tell the parents, "So sorry about your kids, but you'll be glad to know we didn't violate this associates (Constitutional) rights?"

[Old Man Gamer (OMG)]

Originally posted by Zephon:

Originally posted by Old Man Gamer (OMG):

Indeed. I am getting the impression that ancient magic is the original wizardry and witchcraft, and somehow was either watered down to the current magic users or was spread from the few by means of ancient magic use. Those that see ancient magic would be of a direct line, much like the Salazar Slytherin line with the Harry Potter lore.

Now that would be an interesting premise finding out that every wizard/witch used to have this magic but it was deemed way too dangerous so they basically cut it up into the schools of magic.

Possibly. Maybe even by distancing the knowledge from lack of teaching. It may come to pass that the forbidden spells become forgotten ancient magic of its own in time.

[rservello]

Originally posted by Dreadstone:

Is it better to kill somebody with a knife, or a gun? What if I kill someone in self-defense, or in the defense of others? (Note, not trying to turn this into a gun control debate)

Do the Curse spells take the victim's soul?

Does that mean Spiders have souls? (Because Acromantula has eaten at least one death curse from me)

********************* Long ******************

(Hypothetical situation)

There is a busload of school children somewhere in your area with a bomb on the bus. You don't know where.

The bomb is timed, meaning sooner, rather than later, the bomb will go off, killing said children.

While you don't have the bomb-maker, or bomb-placer in custody, you have captured an associate who does. However, said associate will not cooperate. No amount of cajoling, bribery, promise of reduced sentence, or promise of death via lethal injection will sway them.

The clock is ticking.

Do you, A, bring in bolt cutters and start removing fingers and toes, or,

B, take the moral high ground and when said bomb goes off (killing the children), tell the parents, "So sorry about your kids, but you'll be glad to know we didn't violate this associates (Constitutional) rights?"

But he used it to save his sister. That was the original post.