Morality is just so busted in this game...**Spoilers**

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When Sebastian uses Imperio on the goblin his uncle loses it, saying he went too far using an unforgivable curse to save his sister. But if he had used Diffindo to cut him in half, or Confringo to blow his ass up he would have been totally cool with it. End result is the goblin is dead. Since there are NO debuffs or in story consequences to curses I don't see the point of this posturing. It's just bad writing and "role-playing"

[Old Man Gamer (OMG)]

The unforgivable curses require dark intent.
The unforgivable curses impact the user.
The unforgivable curses leave a lasting mark (death, mental impact from crucio or emperio)
The unforgivable curses were used solely by those who had malice and/or hate in their hearts.

I am new to the Harry Potter world, but the books do explain well the spells system. They are not a simple cast and will kind of thing. Just ask Longbottom, lol. It took talent, innate ability, and practice.

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Zephon eredeti hozzászólása:

Again it being set in an established universe does not excuse the lack of an explanation of things in the game.There's not even questions your character can ask like "why are these spells forbidden?",no field guide entries.Hell all the spell page says on Avada Kedavra is literally "kills instantly".It's poor game design leaving things like that out.

Literally the only thing mentioned is by Omonis saying you have to really want the victim to suffer or die to use them. And the fact that our character can use them without a problem means we're pretty damn evil I guess. I don't think the lore is well enough established tho to see Ominis as more than just a whiney ♥♥♥♥♥. I really like Sebastian...he's the only character that has ANY passion. Everyone else is just lifeless and has no purpose other than to send you on fetch quests.

Imagine this game didn't bank on the Harry Potter IP...it would be a terrible game for just not having any real explanation for anything.

[Old Man Gamer (OMG)]

If it helps, there are many in game conversations that talk about these things. Poachers will randomly have conversations, and some of them are about the difficulty in casting the unforgivable curses. As ruthless as they were, they would say it was something they could not do. They did not have the pure intent or skill to cast those spells.

The story does not go into these things, but they did include dialogue in the game world. You just have to catch the right conversations to overhear.

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Old Man Gamer (OMG) eredeti hozzászólása:

The unforgivable curses require dark intent.
The unforgivable curses impact the user.
The unforgivable curses leave a lasting mark (death, mental impact from crucio or emperio)
The unforgivable curses were used solely by those who had malice and/or hate in their hearts.

I am new to the Harry Potter world, but the books do explain well the spells system. They are not a simple cast and will kind of thing. Just ask Longbottom, lol. It took talent, innate ability, and practice.

RIGHT! So from a gameplay perspective there should be a consequence to using them. I suggested debuffs...maybe on easy you just lose a bit of health but on hard maybe your health bar shrinks permanently but your spell strength increases. SOMETHING. As it's currently implemented it is no different to cast Crucio than it is to cast Levioso. So, besides just being a slave to the source material, would you ever not use these very powerful abilities? They had a chance to make a really unique game mechanic. This isn't a book...it's a game. Works differently...and the design of this game is poor.

[Fingeris]

Well, even so-called "Keepers" used dark magic (you will see that further), so yes, morality is busted here and Sebastian's story is poorly written.

When I was riding Graphorn my character decided to shout "Wow, can't wait to tell Sebastian about it", and just a mission before Sebastian killed his uncle.

[Old Man Gamer (OMG)]

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Old Man Gamer (OMG) eredeti hozzászólása:

The unforgivable curses require dark intent.
The unforgivable curses impact the user.
The unforgivable curses leave a lasting mark (death, mental impact from crucio or emperio)
The unforgivable curses were used solely by those who had malice and/or hate in their hearts.

I am new to the Harry Potter world, but the books do explain well the spells system. They are not a simple cast and will kind of thing. Just ask Longbottom, lol. It took talent, innate ability, and practice.

RIGHT! So from a gameplay perspective there should be a consequence to using them. I suggested debuffs...maybe on easy you just lose a bit of health but on health maybe your health bar shrinks permanently but your spell strength increases. SOMETHING. As it's currently implemented it is no different to cast Crucio than it is to cast Levioso. So, besides just being a slave to the source material, would you ever not use these very powerful abilities? They had a chance to make a really unique game mechanic. This isn't a book...it's a game. Works differently...and the design of this game is poor.

I believe that it should, and in a way it does. You have to invest points into it, in the talent tree, that would otherwise boost other things.

I agree that is not enough, but it does appear there is a general way that the developers wanted this game to go, for the intent purpose of story direction. The books show moral impacts do occur. The game does not, aside form instant rebuke of certain people nearby and that is it, from what I have seen so far.

I do not think this was something that the developers focused on, being we can rummage through homes and take their things. I even pick locks to houses and then take their things, while the owner is still inside, lol!

It does not bother me. It is about the same as Witcher, Cyberpunk, and many other games of this type. Fallout is one of the few that actually did the moral system well, with Fallout New Vegas.

[Zephon]

Normally i despise moral choice systems in games but this is one of those games where you are either a good wizard/witch or evil.So it really did need some sort of morality system.

[Hex: Oni's Plaything]

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Incredibly average eredeti hozzászólása:

Disagree. Simply put.

I can repeat myself as you didn't react to it: the game is deliberately set in an existing universe. You can't expect the game to reiterate every detail.

Clearly you're a MAJOR fan and no logic will sway you. Doesn't change that it makes zero sense in context to the GAME I'm playing. Again. Give a reason for not using unforgivable curses. Like say, if you use one it drains your health and will kill you if you use too much. Or maybe it ticks away at your available health permanently defuffing you more and more until the game becomes really challenging if you choose to go dark. There needs to be a reason for the outrage. From my perspective the Uncle is just a zealot that is cool with killing as long as it's done right.

From my understanding is that you can defend and block confringo and the other spells but you cannot defend yourself against the unforgiveable curses, which I'm pretty sure is in the lore as well but it is in gameplay as well. I find the unforgiveable curses to be too easy and I don't use them (along with the fact I don't like them anyway). So if Sebastian used confringo, that goblin could have defended himself. It's also not dark magic, like imperio is. Dark magic could very well change the witch or wizard that uses it, making them go on a dark path.

The uncle, when he attacks you and Sebastian later on, is saying he is attacking not to kill Sebastian but to protect him from that dark path that he was taking. It's not that he is a zealot about killing, Sebastian killing the goblin wouldn't have been murder but in defense of his sibling. He'd more than likely be upset if Sebastian killed a goblin with confringo that was just minding his own business.

[Gabriel Angelos]

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When Sebastian uses Imperio on the goblin his uncle loses it, saying he went too far using an unforgivable curse to save his sister. But if he had used Diffindo to cut him in half, or Confringo to blow his ass up he would have been totally cool with it. End result is the goblin is dead. Since there are NO debuffs or in story consequences to curses I don't see the point of this posturing. It's just bad writing and "role-playing"

Well his uncle is a former Auror and using one of the unforgivable curses is a quick way to get sent to Azkaban. If he wasnt family thats exactly where Sebastian would be heading. Its the law and as we know , sometimes the law doesnt make much sense, such is life.

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Nephilim eredeti hozzászólása:

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Clearly you're a MAJOR fan and no logic will sway you. Doesn't change that it makes zero sense in context to the GAME I'm playing. Again. Give a reason for not using unforgivable curses. Like say, if you use one it drains your health and will kill you if you use too much. Or maybe it ticks away at your available health permanently defuffing you more and more until the game becomes really challenging if you choose to go dark. There needs to be a reason for the outrage. From my perspective the Uncle is just a zealot that is cool with killing as long as it's done right.

From my understanding is that you can defend and block confringo and the other spells but you cannot defend yourself against the unforgiveable curses, which I'm pretty sure is in the lore as well but it is in gameplay as well. I find the unforgiveable curses to be too easy and I don't use them (along with the fact I don't like them anyway). So if Sebastian used confringo, that goblin could have defended himself. It's also not dark magic, like imperio is. Dark magic could very well change the witch or wizard that uses it, making them go on a dark path.

The uncle, when he attacks you and Sebastian later on, is saying he is attacking not to kill Sebastian but to protect him from that dark path that he was taking. It's not that he is a zealot about killing, Sebastian killing the goblin wouldn't have been murder but in defense of his sibling. He'd more than likely be upset if Sebastian killed a goblin with confringo that was just minding his own business.

That's an interesting point. Thanks!

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Mumm-Ra eredeti hozzászólása:

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When Sebastian uses Imperio on the goblin his uncle loses it, saying he went too far using an unforgivable curse to save his sister. But if he had used Diffindo to cut him in half, or Confringo to blow his ass up he would have been totally cool with it. End result is the goblin is dead. Since there are NO debuffs or in story consequences to curses I don't see the point of this posturing. It's just bad writing and "role-playing"

Well his uncle is a former Auror and using one of the unforgivable curses is a quick way to get sent to Azkaban. If he wasnt family thats exactly where Sebastian would be heading. Its the law and as we know , sometimes the law doesnt make much sense, such is life.

I heard the word Auror thrown around...but as with most stuff, it's never explained. So I guess it's basically the magic FBI? Again, this game needs a LOT more explaining.

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I guess my biggest problem is....murder is murder. Killing someone with Diffindo is no less terrible IMHO than using an unforgivable curse (since the weight is really never fully established). It's like saying that shooting someone with a blessed bullet is better than a regular bullet. It's all just dogma. Murder bad....full stop.

[Hex: Oni's Plaything]

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Mumm-Ra eredeti hozzászólása:

Well his uncle is a former Auror and using one of the unforgivable curses is a quick way to get sent to Azkaban. If he wasnt family thats exactly where Sebastian would be heading. Its the law and as we know , sometimes the law doesnt make much sense, such is life.

I heard the word Auror thrown around...but as with most stuff, it's never explained. So I guess it's basically the magic FBI? Again, this game needs a LOT more explaining.

Yeah they are basically the fbi/police/law enforcement.

[Zephon]

Well Aurors are more police/military you can find it out from revilio on sharp's badge but the curses aren't properly explained just that they're outlawed.

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Zephon eredeti hozzászólása:

Well Aurors are more police/military you can find it out from revilio on sharp's badge but the curses aren't properly explained just that they're outlawed.

Is that in his classroom? I got all the Hogwarts pages...Must have not read that one closely. There's so many and most are just silly.