Are we the baddies?

[DiscoShark]

Seems like Goblins should actually be allowed to have wands in Wizard society.

[Dragon Master]

Why? They don't share the secrets of their technology.

[Halfwise]

Are wands magic amplifiers? If a goblin with a wand is 10x more powerful than a human with a wand, is that safe for society as a whole?

[𝔜𝔲𝔢]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Why? They don't share the secrets of their technology.

Assuming wizard society would even want any kind of technology. They could have all the muggle technology of the world available and yet basically still live in the middle ages.

[DiscoShark]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Why? They don't share the secrets of their technology.

Because the differences between goblins and wizards are purely aesthetic and/or cultural. They're sentient, capable of language, and can interbreed with wizards. An 11 year old witch or wizard knows nothing about the "technology" of their wands when they're granted them before going to school, they're just gifted them because they're a witch or wizard. It's nothing more than a tool to ensure wizard/witch superiority over other human magical lines.

The game will find some way to make Griphook the unambiguously "bad" guy to be defeated, but the sentiment of ensuring equal rights for Goblins in wizard society is the right one.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by DiscoShark:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Why? They don't share the secrets of their technology.

Because the differences between goblins and wizards are purely aesthetic and/or cultural. They're sentient, capable of language, and can interbreed with wizards. An 11 year old witch or wizard knows nothing about the "technology" of their wands when they're granted them before going to school, they're just gifted them because they're a witch or wizard. It's nothing more than a tool to ensure wizard/witch superiority over other human magical lines.

The game will find some way to make Griphook the unambiguously "bad" guy to be defeated, but the sentiment of ensuring equal rights for Goblins in wizard society is the right one.

That's one hell of an assumption. We don't actually know anything about how the story will actually play out

[𝔜𝔲𝔢]

Originally posted by DiscoShark:

The game will find some way to make Griphook the unambiguously "bad" guy to be defeated, but the sentiment of ensuring equal rights for Goblins in wizard society is the right one.

Ah, but we don't know whether the goblins in the game are fighting for equal rights or something different. For all we know they could just want some "bad, ancient power" to create an uber-mega-weapon and wipe out all wizards/human/life on the planet.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Min Yua:

Originally posted by DiscoShark:

The game will find some way to make Griphook the unambiguously "bad" guy to be defeated, but the sentiment of ensuring equal rights for Goblins in wizard society is the right one.

Ah, but we don't know whether the goblins in the game are fighting for equal rights or something different. For all we know they could just want some "bad, ancient power" to create an uber-mega-weapon and wipe out all wizards/human/life on the planet.

Based on what has been released so far it is just as likely that the goblins are rebelling because Ranroc wants to commit a genocide on the wizards.

[DiscoShark]

Originally posted by Min Yua:

Originally posted by DiscoShark:

The game will find some way to make Griphook the unambiguously "bad" guy to be defeated, but the sentiment of ensuring equal rights for Goblins in wizard society is the right one.

Ah, but we don't know whether the goblins in the game are fighting for equal rights or something different. For all we know they could just want some "bad, ancient power" to create an uber-mega-weapon and wipe out all wizards/human/life on the planet.

Right, this is what I'm saying. They'll come up with a reason why Griphook's specific movement should be defeated (genocide etc) while ignoring the factors leading to that discontent in the first place. I'll be curious if the game broaches these subjects given what has motivated previous goblin rebellions in the Harry Potter universe.

[Karl Pilkington]

But why skulls?

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Karl Pilkington:

But why skulls?

They could be the skulls of our enemies?

[Cú/Moon]

And you know goblins known for being bloodthirty warmongers have always had a righteous cause? Whose to say that the goblins didn't start most of the wars between them and wizards, whose to say there's not equal blame on both sides?  It's easy to look down after a society has been put in place and say that more should have been done but it's very possible that if ....say the goblins had won over wizards, that wizards might be in the place goblins are now, if not worse.

[Boop.]

death to gobo's

[DiscoShark]

Originally posted by CR/Moon:

And you know goblins known for being bloodthirty warmongers have always had a righteous cause? Whose to say that the goblins didn't start most of the wars between them and wizards, whose to say there's not equal blame on both sides?  It's easy to look down after a society has been put in place and say that more should have been done but it's very possible that if ....say the goblins had won over wizards, that wizards might be in the place goblins are now, if not worse.

Nothing more than baseless wizard propaganda. Othering what, by every scientific standard, is simply another part of the human species for completely arbitrary reasons. Any past "crimes" committed by humans towards other factions of humans have no bearing on the way sentients should be treated in the modern day.

Wands for Gobos.
Wands for Veelas.
Wands for Giants.

[Ash//Fox]

Originally posted by Halfwise:

Are wands magic amplifiers? If a goblin with a wand is 10x more powerful than a human with a wand, is that safe for society as a whole?

The wizarding world is explicitly one that is in part based on Victorian era racial attitudes, Dumbledore even remarks on how the bigotry of human wizards towards magical folk has made the Voldemort crisis so much worse; they aren't withholding wands from goblims to prevent some kind of power imbalance it's literally just a class/racial privilege like how threatening to kill a peasant who dares try to own a sword.

[R-Gone]

Aren't goblins bankers? They don't need weak human magic when they already control the dark arts.