Anti-Denuvo shills are crazy out there

[laker01]

If your wheelchair has square wheels don't blame the guy who put in a ramp.

[Yürei]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lukaself:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yürei:

It was a downward trend from 2017-2019 and from there, it can be argued that covid could of caused issues with release schedules (hell we're still feeling the effects today). From 2020, it has been going in a upward trend.

No, no it hasn't... 28 isn't higher than 36. I can't believe I have to state that OUT LOU. That's your OWN numbers! WTF is wrong with people in these forums. OP was right, I'm out.

???

I literally said it was going down for 2017 to 2019 (even 2020) and we can't really use 2020 as an accurate year due to covid. Did you not remember the year that we were literally forced to stay home for the first Q1 of 2020? This literally affects release schedules meaning less games being released. I seriously don't get what is so hard to understand about that. I should of been a bit more clear I guess.

You do know that while yes, the amount of games with Denuvo in 2021 is less than 2019, the number of games with Denuvo is still higher than the previous year right? The same could be said about 2022. If 2023 has more than 2022, it is definitely an UPWARD trend. I'm seriously confused how you don't understand that. This already contradicts your original point of Denuvo having a "6 year downward trend".

Why is it whenever you try to use logic with most anti-Denuvo people, they either start spewing nonsense, misinformation, vitriol, or mix of any of those.

[gingerbreadman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lukaself:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

If there are 330 games and 33 of those have denuvo, and then there are 260 games and 26 of them use denuvo, that would NOT be a downwards trend, because percentually the adoption rate would be the EXACT SAME.

You are missing data to make an informed assumption.

Why are you using made-up numbers to disprove something I linked actual numbers to compare?

Because you keep posting the AMOUNT of denuvo games to prove a downwards trend, not the ratio.
And no, you haven’t provided me the numbers i can compare it to…

I gave you the exact numbers of AAA games and the sources to verify, as well as the exact number of games using Denuvo. Use the actual numbers. AAA games went down 21.8% and games with Denuvo went down 44.6% for the same time period.

Once again, AAA isn’t enough. They need to be AAA singleplayer game releases from companies that usually implement it…

Seriously you keep misrepresenting the numbers so that they fit your narrative and are only fooling yourself.

Sources are in this post from Gameindustry

I'm not the one misrepresentng the numbers here.

Yeah, you really really are.

Not just every AAA game will implement denuvo, and you did not factor that in, because you never think ahead.


You literally had a comment saying that 28 is smaller than 36 so it must be a downward trend! Once again, a statement where you use the raw number, and not the ratio…

[GrandMajora]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DOOM THE PRIME EVIL:

Denuvo kills pcs frame rates and forces and all was online ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and if you play off line it has a built in timer that when it reaches 0 makes the game unplayable untill you go back online

I already have another game with Denuvo on it (Total War: Warhammer), and it keeps making my PC crash from over heating.

I've also had an extremely frustrating experience with DRM services in the past, such as Guild Wars 2, which due to how my internet service provider regularly changes my IP address, the launcher for the game kept mistaking me for having logged in from multiple PC's around the country. It made authenticating my ID when signing in a pain in the ass every single time I tried to start it up!

[Yürei]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DOOM THE PRIME EVIL:

Denuvo kills pcs frame rates and forces and all was online ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and if you play off line it has a built in timer that when it reaches 0 makes the game unplayable untill you go back online

I already have another game with Denuvo on it (Total War: Warhammer), and it keeps making my PC crash from over heating.

I've also had an extremely frustrating experience with DRM services in the past, such as Guild Wars 2, which due to how my internet service provider regularly changes my IP address, the launcher for the game kept mistaking me for having logged in from multiple PC's around the country. It made authenticating my ID when signing in a pain in the ass every single time I tried to start it up!

That 2nd one is less DRM and of an mmorpg probably having something to prevent shared accounts or making sure that its you due to multiple ip changes. Honestly, thats more on your isp than Guild Wars 2.

As for the first one. Unless Denuvo is running checks at a ridiculous rate, I highly doubt it was the reason for overheating your computer (even then I doubt it). If I remember right, Total War Warhammer had a really really bad launch. Denuvo might of made things worse depending on how it was implemented, but probably wasn't the cause.

[DarkMagicDez]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DarkMagicDez:

denuvo does ♥♥♥♥ with performance. Just look at Rage 2. The game had tons of performance issues and once denuvo was removed the game ran smoothly

you do realize that you are using an example of a single game, to imply the software is broken. while all you really have is an instance of a bad implementation.

the implementation is up to the developers and does not reflect denuvo itself. the mere fact that there are games where denuvo has <1% impact on performance renders your entire example moot.

your example is basically equivalent to saying "a car is bad because person x crashed theirs into mine"

It also ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Sonic Mania not game breaking but the Switch version runs smoother than PC because of Denuvo being on the PC version. It's like the difference between a Pal PS1 game and a USA PS1 game in terms of performance. Thing is if it has even a slight potential to negatively impact performance even a little bit it shouldn't be considered. Besides games with denuvo are still crackes within a day or two

[gingerbreadman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DarkMagicDez:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

you do realize that you are using an example of a single game, to imply the software is broken. while all you really have is an instance of a bad implementation.

the implementation is up to the developers and does not reflect denuvo itself. the mere fact that there are games where denuvo has <1% impact on performance renders your entire example moot.

your example is basically equivalent to saying "a car is bad because person x crashed theirs into mine"

It also ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Sonic Mania not game breaking but the Switch version runs smoother than PC because of Denuvo being on the PC version. It's like the difference between a Pal PS1 game and a USA PS1 game in terms of performance. Thing is if it has even a slight potential to negatively impact performance even a little bit it shouldn't be considered. Besides games with denuvo are still crackes within a day or two

You are living in 2016…

In the last two years games with denuvo haven’t been cracked in under a month by third parties… educate yourself

As for “the potential of a bad implementation”. Everything has that potential, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use it, steam and discords overlay have more of an impact than a well implemented denuvo does. You are clearly not a programmer, so what makes you think you get to dictate what the programmers should do?

[lukaself]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

steam and discords overlay have more of an impact than a well implemented denuvo does.

Steam and discord's overlays also have actual benefits for the customer. It's a simple matter of what's useful, and what's not compared to the potential inconvenience it represents.

[Shihimase]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Killance:

Yes Yes we know the story. Denuvo stole your wife, burned down your house and killed your dog.

Even the ones praised for "cracking" can no longer crack denuvo post 2019.

So what about High on Life, The Quarry or Monster Hunter Rise?
They all got Denuvo and they all got cracked. And they are all newer than 2019.

[gingerbreadman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shihimase:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Killance:

Yes Yes we know the story. Denuvo stole your wife, burned down your house and killed your dog.

Even the ones praised for "cracking" can no longer crack denuvo post 2019.

So what about High on Life, The Quarry or Monster Hunter Rise?
They all got Denuvo and they all got cracked. And they are all newer than 2019.

High on life didnt have denuvo…

And both the quarry and monster hunter rise took a year to crack… such an accomplishment…

[lukaself]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lukaself:

Steam and discord's overlays also have actual benefits for the customer. It's a simple matter of what's useful, and what's not compared to the potential inconvenience it represents.

Doesn’t matter. The fact remains that it impacts more.

And how long will it take for you to finally understand that it isn’t supposed to benefit you? You are crying over less than half a frame.

Educate yourself

Then don't equate them to useful services to defend your stance. You claimed that because they also have an impact, people should also accept Denuvo, which doesn't make sense since the reason people accept one but not the other is how useful they are to them.

You made it clear that you're operating not from the point of view of a consumer, but a developer. Maybe try to see the issue from a consumer perspective? Can you prove it benefits anyone to begin with? (Edit: I guess not. )

[redeyes]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shihimase:

So what about High on Life, The Quarry or Monster Hunter Rise?
They all got Denuvo and they all got cracked. And they are all newer than 2019.

High on life didnt have denuvo…

And both the quarry and monster hunter rise took a year to crack… such an accomplishment…

lol monster hunter took long cus it was a side project that had to be fully redone, the cracker redid it extremely fast

[gingerbreadman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von redeyes:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gingerbreadman:

High on life didnt have denuvo…

And both the quarry and monster hunter rise took a year to crack… such an accomplishment…

lol monster hunter took long cus it was a side project that had to be fully redone, the cracker redid it extremely fast

At least that it was they said… sounds like a way to save face.

The only factual information we have is that it took over a year