Star Trek Discovery no longer canon?

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Is this true?

[Daimo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLmIeqS7xc

[ᛁᛖᛊᚢᛊ ᚨᚱ ᚷᚢᛞ]

Originally posted by Daimo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLmIeqS7xc

[Jivebot]

How can anyone who throws the word 'incel' around be taken seriously? Grow up.

[Astrostars2025]

I guess that Star Trek Discovery may no longer be canon, but what is canon is that some battle took place and Spock's sister died.

[Tilarta]

Intriguing, I never knew a show to be officially declared non-canon before.
I didn't really like it myself, because I looked at some sample screengrabs and could tell there was no continuity with the main series.
So not really surprised this show was declared AU/non-canon.

And I cringed inside every STO episode I played which referenced Discovery.

I considered it ironic that all the effort that Cryptic put into creating Discovery themed content was technically wasted after this decision was made.
But I don't think they can delete that content without seriously messing up the game by deleting gear, ships etc, so we're stuck with that stuff.

[Astrostars2025]

Originally posted by Tilarta:

Intriguing, I never knew a show to be officially declared non-canon before.
I didn't really like it myself, because I looked at some sample screengrabs and could tell there was no continuity with the main series.
So not really surprised this show was declared AU/non-canon.

And I cringed inside every STO episode I played which referenced Discovery.

I considered it ironic that all the effort that Cryptic put into creating Discovery themed content was technically wasted after this decision was made.
But I don't think they can delete that content without seriously messing up the game by deleting gear, ships etc, so we're stuck with that stuff.

Chances are that the DSC stuff was from an alternate universe. Makes sense, right? So the DSC stuff still happened, it's just from another universe and not the prime one. J'Ula's mycelial weapon caused the DSC Starfleet Captain and the Mokai Klingons to switch universes, unfortunately, poisoning STO with DSC verse stuff which is why we have it. Kind of just like the mirror universe.

[Daimo]

STO can just be another alt universe. I mean they do call the game server "holodeck".

[Nimbull]

From what I heard Discovery broke so many things about canon that it had to get placed in another universe like the JJ stuff did for Kelvin. I mean seriously who would bother building warp drives if they could just spore drive from before Kirk's time? Never mind the Klingon people not looking like actual Klingons.

Also the tech seemed ahead of what was in the TOS series. Yes there's a difference in special effects over the years as improvements happened for show creation but Star Trek Continues and Enterprise should how to do that properly with canon. Discovery was all over the place like a bull in a china shop. It had some serious potential but feels like it was wasted. Still good in it's own right for those that liked it.

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

Originally posted by Eternal Victory:

Originally posted by 88th ColPresumptuous:

Ok... so wtf is a "Feminization Killer" and why would i believe a Video advertising it in its first line of its description? Hey I dont like Disco at all, but cant stand those incel 'anti'woke' grifter YT channels with a passion and their content creators... some of the worst people on the planet, including their followers.

As long as nothing happens to Strange New Worlds, i dont give a crap what happens to Discovery personally.

I don't like when people use the word "incel".

There are many deformed people, broken people both male and female that are involuntary celibates.
I think it's a cruel and inhumane insult and even ignorant. It could even be considered dehumanizing, as if a person that can't engage in normal sexual activities is somehow "less than".

I think it's a very archaeic insult that doesn't belong in a civilized society.

What about people who are bound to wheelchairs that happen to be "incels", do you shame them too?

Why would any of those people you mention call themselves or use the term 'incel'... as far as im aware the term and in the manner im using it, is pretty much mostly used by that particular subset of men im having a rant about in my comment, and not people with sexual physical disabilities... but im sure you're grasp of English and the concepts of our language mean you're well aware of what i and the way i used the term meant.

So nice try...

[ᛁᛖᛊᚢᛊ ᚨᚱ ᚷᚢᛞ]

Originally posted by 88th ColPresumptuous:

Originally posted by Eternal Victory:

I don't like when people use the word "incel".

There are many deformed people, broken people both male and female that are involuntary celibates.
I think it's a cruel and inhumane insult and even ignorant. It could even be considered dehumanizing, as if a person that can't engage in normal sexual activities is somehow "less than".

I think it's a very archaeic insult that doesn't belong in a civilized society.

What about people who are bound to wheelchairs that happen to be "incels", do you shame them too?

Why would any of those people you mention call themselves or use the term 'incel'... as far as im aware the term and in the manner im using it, is pretty much mostly used by that particular subset of men im having a rant about in my comment, and not people with sexual physical disabilities... but im sure you're grasp of English and the concepts of our language mean you're well aware of what i and the way i used the term meant.

So nice try...

Incel means "involuntary celibacy"
That is exactly what someone with sexual disabilities is.

You are being a horrible and ignorant human being.

[TE5LA]

We can only hope as that series is trash.

[fenrif]

Originally posted by Nimbull:

From what I heard Discovery broke so many things about canon that it had to get placed in another universe like the JJ stuff did for Kelvin. I mean seriously who would bother building warp drives if they could just spore drive from before Kirk's time? Never mind the Klingon people not looking like actual Klingons.

Also the tech seemed ahead of what was in the TOS series. Yes there's a difference in special effects over the years as improvements happened for show creation but Star Trek Continues and Enterprise should how to do that properly with canon. Discovery was all over the place like a bull in a china shop. It had some serious potential but feels like it was wasted. Still good in it's own right for those that liked it.

You have it reversed. They didn't have the rights to real star trek. STD and all non-trek (made past Enterprise) was legally required to be at least 25% (IIRC) distinct from Real Trek. Hence the new uniforms and new Klingons and new ships and new everything. Hence the pre-pre-prequel setting. Easier to re-make and re-imagine it all.

It's not that it broke cannon and had to be placed in a new universe. It's that it was legally mandated to be a new universe from the jump and thus deliberately broke as much cannon as possible.

The issue is that they kept lying and saying it was the original real timeline. They did this because of monetary greed and creative bankruptcy. And people who are more into politics than Star Trek believed them for reasons that have nothing to do with Star Trek.

Originally posted by 88th ColPresumptuous:

Why would any of those people you mention call themselves or use the term 'incel'... as far as im aware the term and in the manner im using it, is pretty much mostly used by that particular subset of men im having a rant about in my comment,

Incel seems to be exclusively used as an ad hominem insult by the people who follow a specific internally inconsistent hypocritical fact/truth averse ideology.

The word itself means "involuntary celibate" and thus describes anyone who cannot get laid. Mentally and physically deformed and infirm people very much included.

[Captain Trump]

Discovery is the biggest pile of garbage so this is an amazing thing if true.

[Sirius]

Originally posted by fenrif:

The word itself means "involuntary celibate" and thus describes anyone who cannot get laid. Mentally and physically deformed and infirm people very much included.

I would now counter with Christopher Titus' bit on the R-word, but that would be pointless, wouldn't it?

Still, to paraphrase and sub in the current "issue", everyone with two working brain cells knows what people "incel" refers to, and if those people with slightly working brains ever heard someone call a handicapped person an incel, that someone would rightfully expect to get clipped around the ear.

It has a very specific meaning when used as a slang, and it's not to demean people with disabilities, and I think you very well know that.

Edit: Seems like at least one person doesn't know that. To be expected.

[Astrostars2025]

Originally posted by fenrif:

Originally posted by Nimbull:

From what I heard Discovery broke so many things about canon that it had to get placed in another universe like the JJ stuff did for Kelvin. I mean seriously who would bother building warp drives if they could just spore drive from before Kirk's time? Never mind the Klingon people not looking like actual Klingons.

Also the tech seemed ahead of what was in the TOS series. Yes there's a difference in special effects over the years as improvements happened for show creation but Star Trek Continues and Enterprise should how to do that properly with canon. Discovery was all over the place like a bull in a china shop. It had some serious potential but feels like it was wasted. Still good in it's own right for those that liked it.

You have it reversed. They didn't have the rights to real star trek. STD and all non-trek (made past Enterprise) was legally required to be at least 25% (IIRC) distinct from Real Trek. Hence the new uniforms and new Klingons and new ships and new everything. Hence the pre-pre-prequel setting. Easier to re-make and re-imagine it all.

It's not that it broke cannon and had to be placed in a new universe. It's that it was legally mandated to be a new universe from the jump and thus deliberately broke as much cannon as possible.

The issue is that they kept lying and saying it was the original real timeline. They did this because of monetary greed and creative bankruptcy. And people who are more into politics than Star Trek believed them for reasons that have nothing to do with Star Trek.

Originally posted by 88th ColPresumptuous:

Why would any of those people you mention call themselves or use the term 'incel'... as far as im aware the term and in the manner im using it, is pretty much mostly used by that particular subset of men im having a rant about in my comment,

Incel seems to be exclusively used as an ad hominem insult by the people who follow a specific internally inconsistent hypocritical fact/truth averse ideology.

The word itself means "involuntary celibate" and thus describes anyone who cannot get laid. Mentally and physically deformed and infirm people very much included.

Not sure where you got this from... They do indeed have the rights to the earlier Star Trek shows, as they clearly show footage of "The Cage" in one of the episode intros to a DSC season 2 episode. What they did (I AM NOT DEFENDING THEM!!!) was try to bring the show's appearance and effects up to modern standards, which unfortunately resulted in a MUCH different feel. Combine that with how much social and potical views (nasty topic, gonna finish this quick!) have changed since the 60s and the 90s, became much darker and grimmer, especially after Covid hit, this is reflected in DSC. Changing world views unfortunately include openness about different style sexual relationships between genders (which really should be left in the bedroom cuz no one cares what you're doing as it's not my buisness), "independent" women (there are a lot of more women now who are not getting married or having kids, worsening the under population crisis), and of course more visual politics as things have shifted towards the "radical"/"progressive" left of the social spectrum".

Regardless of all these "problems", I dare say that Strange New Worlds, at least season 1, did a phenomenal job of bringing Star Trek back (and toning some of that stuff down while bringing back the good old themes) into it's proper place, though season 2 wasn't as good imo because of the more serealized episodes, Subspace Rhapsode, and the Lower Decks crossover episode (Gene Roddebberry intially intended ST to have a serious tone and didn't like Tribbles episode. Lowerdecks to an attempt at too much commedy for me). PLEASE NOTE THAT NONE OF THIS IS MY OWN POLITICAL VIEWS, I AM SIMPLY ATTEMTING TO STATE WHAT I SEE STAT TREK AS FROM THE LATE 2010S.

Anyways I'm gonna dip and gtfo cuz I think WW3 is about to start, at least in this comment thread. Anyways according to ST, WW3 starts next year, so I guess this is the precusor lol.