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SilentSith May 19, 2023 @ 2:32am
Hacking websites for STO need to be taken down
Im a long time player of sto, for many years new players have accused us older players of cheating due to our dps, however today a friend told me about a hacking website for sto.
Of course i didn't believe it so i took a look myself, to my shock there it was a bot miner and cheats for sto. this needs to be stopped i grind over time.
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kirb May 19, 2023 @ 3:47am 
A hacking website?? Never seen one of those, ever. Where is it? Would be kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ if it's legit. This game is a big investment.
Sirius May 19, 2023 @ 6:10am 
1. Many, if not ALL, such sites are scams. You will never get a 'legitimate' hack or cheat (whatever that means) for your money. They assume you won't complain, because you actively tried to do something illegal.

If they are 'legit' (as, in: sell you a functioning hack), you are not likely to find those via a Facebook or YouTube link or whatever.
Doubtful as severside checks make these highly unlikely.

2. While I have never personally and consciously noticed bots in STO, I can't say for sure those don't exist, because pretty much every MMO (that I know of) tends to have them in one form or another (and they tend to be rather easily spottable), but again, if you have to pay for access, you are either about to get scammed or you have some really shady connections that are likely not accessible via 'normal' internet.

3. Gold farmer (and other gray / black market item seller) sites do exist, however this is a serious gamble because those tend to get found out sooner or later - and anyone affiliated, even as a customer, might get banned along wit the seller account(s).

When I started STO way too many years back, you could barely enter a map before currency vendors and such would spam their hyperlinks in chat, never (again, consciously) see them anymore though.

All in all, these things do and can exist, but I feel STO has a better handle on this than quite a few other notable MMOs. Again, as far as I can tell, so grain of salt and all that.

Also, this has nothing to do with you 'grinding for stuff'.
Such things actively damage the game(s) if left unchecked, yet you are just mad someone up and buys a stack of crafting mats or a lockbox ship for upwards of 50 bucks?
That's weird, not gonna lie.
Last edited by Sirius; May 19, 2023 @ 6:11am
VoodooMike May 19, 2023 @ 6:33am 
Originally posted by SilentSith:
Im a long time player of sto, for many years new players have accused us older players of cheating due to our dps, however today a friend told me about a hacking website for sto.

There isn't any way to up your DPS using "cheats" - that aspect of the game is all stats with very little client-side effect. At best you'll see people using macro programs to automatically trigger abilities that they want triggered on cooldown (things like EP2W or Photonic Officer), which I don't think anyone would call a "cheat".

Originally posted by SilentSith:
Of course i didn't believe it so i took a look myself, to my shock there it was a bot miner and cheats for sto. this needs to be stopped i grind over time.

You can feasibly automate the playing of the various minigames, but other than saving you the aggravation of playing them it won't accomplish much. The difference between a perfect score on those minigames and an easily-accomplished manual score is trivial, if it exists at all. You won't improve the rate of earning rewards - the minigames still need to be played at the rate they can be played.

So, I suppose you can technically automate the minigame grind IF you can find a spot where you can play the same minigame over and over and over. There aren't many candidates for that, and even fewer where you'll genuinely profit from doing so... even Omega Particle Stabilization requires three colours, and they need to be run through slow R&D projects as well.

The only "cheating" of sorts that can be an issue is things like the Defense of Starbase One flaw that let people AFK dilithium farm, and that's problems in the game that the devs need to fix (in that particular case they did fix it, but they're slow to do so). There's very little threat from "hacker" sites or the like.
x1Heavy May 19, 2023 @ 7:06am 
Once every generation someone howls about that hax this cheat that. Spare me.

I consider that side of the internet a giant paper fly trap for those too dumb to stay away. They get lured to it.

Then wonder why its such a sticky situation.

Serves them right.

Back in IT College we had a protected lab for that type of activity and I managed to configure a old Unix system to shut down no matter what dialog box given to the person trying to save it. Its going to eventually power off. No ifs buts or maybes. It was configured inside the old Domain section which was not much of one.

He blew up. The teacher had to rebuild the computer after reformat and rebuild disk. That did not take teacher too long to restore from image.

Theres a few other goodies you could do in there like taking over someones mouse on the same classroom network. All you had to do was rename your networked computer something else and poof you got your mouse back. This was a long time ago fun and games.

And thats where it stays. Nothing to do with online gaming.
Last edited by x1Heavy; May 19, 2023 @ 7:09am
Agnithrax May 19, 2023 @ 7:41am 
Trigger Warning: Whimsy and rambling as muh ADHD meds take effect. Run on sentences and probable incoherence. :steamfacepalm:

I haven't done it forevers, but the Cryptic games: Champions Online / our beloved STO; they used to let us run scripts in game. All my notes and whatnot for it were on whatever number computers ago, now lost to the electronic pits and piles of India by now. STO is so easy peasy even on advanced let alone the TFO Normal default however that I don't know why anyone would bother with scripts or a cheat sites or things like that but to each their own I guess. It's got to be farmers, and hey at least they're working a job and feeding themselves I suppose. Of course my perspective on the game is adulterated by all the endeavors and other buffs and bennies I've picked up along the way with muh mk xv goldies gear I'm so proud of and all that so my perspective on the game is likely an outlier and quite possibly irrelevant to general play anymore. I dunno. I'm surmising the people who get the cheats stuck in their craw are pretty new and are getting their targets smoked right out from under them in TFO's by asshats like me with the gear and the endeavors and the nifty consoles that let you swoop down on the trash mobs like the hand of god in a fly by of devastation. It's a lot of fun being big and badass and even if STO spent the time and money getting all the bots and all the script kiddies got there's still many many many players with all the goodies going for them that what's really upsetting these players is old farts playing the game as designed which isn't going to change again anytime soon if ever. It's simply time spent that unbalances the playing scale in TFO PUGs; I'd rather STO spend their time and resources on the umpteen problems that still arise from old old spaghettiware and keeping that episode content cranking out, the cheaters and the bots don't phase me or affect my gameplay a bit. In respect to the farmers, I wouldn't want to live where they live and if their cost of living can be supported by game farming then I'll just count my blessings y'know. I feel like the the cheats, should those sites be effective and ultimately not just datamining malware, are a nothing burger and in 6 months or so these players who are upset now will get over it as they fly around like Billy Badass themselves and hear all about the horrible unbalanced game and the farmers and the bots from the next generation of new players.
Xautos May 19, 2023 @ 8:42am 
even if such things existed, the developers would be immediately aware of something trying to interrupt the service and they'd be doing what they can to track down where it came from and deal with it. You can be sure the developers have secure back ups and measures in place to get the service back up as soon as possible.

even with that, Cryptic is an American owned service fortunately, privately ran or not, they can get the federal authorities involved to deal with the issue if they had a mind to. The idea of hacking into such a game service is fraught with risks, not to mention interpol and any assistance that can be used to find those responsible, and all for what? some virtual items and upgrades that will be taken away not long afterwards on a permanent ban?
VoodooMike May 19, 2023 @ 9:11am 
Originally posted by Xautos:
even if such things existed, the developers would be immediately aware of something trying to interrupt the service and they'd be doing what they can to track down where it came from and deal with it. You can be sure the developers have secure back ups and measures in place to get the service back up as soon as possible.

Heh, no they wouldn't. I say this as someone who has developed and operated online services in the past which have had people who actively attempted to exploit it in any way possible - even detecting exploits is often very difficult, and then tracking them down is also very difficult from a developer/operator standpoint.

The single greatest resource for tracking down and fixing problems is users themselves reporting the problems and snitching on exploiters... and the exploiters themselves who tend not to exploit things quietly, wanting to talk up their accomplishments to anyone who will listen. Once you have enough information from those sources, then you can start the slog of tracking down the issue in the actual system.

Originally posted by Xautos:
even with that, Cryptic is an American owned service fortunately, privately ran or not, they can get the federal authorities involved to deal with the issue if they had a mind to. The idea of hacking into such a game service is fraught with risks, not to mention interpol and any assistance that can be used to find those responsible, and all for what? some virtual items and upgrades that will be taken away not long afterwards on a permanent ban?

Law enforcement is not going to help you if your video game is exploited for in-game benefit. Lots of things are technically illegal, but law enforcement agencies aren't eagerly sitting by their phones waiting to leap into action on literally any possible infraction - they have limited staff and resources and they assign them based on efficiency.

Internet-based crimes are especially hard to get law enforcement involved with because the perpetrators are usually outside any given agency's direct jurisdiction, and it is expensive and slow to work around that. That's why the crimes you hear about in terms of investigation and prosecution tend only to be related to espionage (government and military leaks/hacks) and multi-million dollar extortion/fraud cases - in almost every case it is a larger crime that involved computers, rather than a computer-specific crime.

99% more likely what you'll see is companies having their lawyers send cease and desist letters to people, which have no teeth but are plenty scary to timid folks who don't really know how the world works.
Metallicus May 19, 2023 @ 9:48am 
Who cares? If people want to cheat that is their problem. It isn’t like PvP is a major game play loop for STO. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Xautos May 19, 2023 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by VoodooMike:
Heh, no they wouldn't. I say this as someone who has developed and operated online services in the past which have had people who actively attempted to exploit it in any way possible - even detecting exploits is often very difficult, and then tracking them down is also very difficult from a developer/operator standpoint.

This service you were part of and developed? was it an MMO based game? If not, how does what you developed have any direct relevance to MMO systems?

Originally posted by VoodooMike:
Law enforcement is not going to help you if your video game is exploited for in-game benefit. Lots of things are technically illegal, but law enforcement agencies aren't eagerly sitting by their phones waiting to leap into action on literally any possible infraction - they have limited staff and resources and they assign them based on efficiency.

i said it was a possibility and only if you have enough evidence of a large attack in hand as a starting point (as opposed to every little infraction). Lots private data can be compromised it's on Cryptic to protect that data, it wouldn't look good if they just let themselves get hacked and let that data get away. They could be punished for not doing a better job protecting it.

Serious breaches must be looked at by law enforcement.
Last edited by Xautos; May 19, 2023 @ 10:56am
VoodooMike May 19, 2023 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by "Xautos":
This service you were part of and developed? was it an MMO based game? If not, how does what you developed have any direct relevance to MMO systems?

It was a chat room system that had its own token economy, and its very similar in issues to those MMOs face, and is far more prone to disruptive users because ALL activity is user-driven and based on interpersonal interactions rather than those being secondary to the base game content. In its peak years it would have 1500-1800 simultaneous online users spread across a myriad of distributed servers.

Likewise, I take/took part in the Ouroboros Project, which updates and maintains the City of Heroes source code. In that respect I have been directly involved not only in hunting down issues within MMO code, but the same base code that STO uses, as STO and COH were both built on the same code. Even knowing exactly what problems exist doesn't make it at all easy to hunt down their internal causes.

And you?

Originally posted by "Xautos":
i said it was a possibility and only if you have enough evidence of a large attack in hand as a starting point (as opposed to every little infraction). Lots private data can be compromised it's on Cryptic to protect that data, it wouldn't look good if they just let themselves get hacked and let that data get away. They could be punished for not doing a better job protecting it.

Again, data breaches are a very different animal from game exploits, and you'll notice that in spite of there being many data breaches from various games, you don't hear about any investigations by law enforcement or arrests in those breaches, and not infrequently the data that gets stolen ends up online for anyone to download.

The punishment for "not doing a better job protecting it" is users not trusting a company with their private data. You're highly unlikely to see any legal sanctions happen, especially since, as I said, it almost always involves cross-jurisdictional action to make anything happen.

Originally posted by "Xautos":
Serious breaches must be looked at by law enforcement.

Do you stomp your foot while saying that?
x1Heavy May 19, 2023 @ 2:44pm 
I knew someone is going to bring up "Da Law...." at some point. The reality there is none.

So you say you lost a gold coin because someone got into your stuffs and took it. Call the Law.

Seriously they have better things for the limited time and so on. Something else must be flawed on your end like a password that is literally password or something.

One of my favorite activity is to find a computer in our WAN which happens to be the College Campus, zero in on the admin section find a computer thats talking to and from the world wide web. Piggy back and watch that staffer play online browsing shoes or whatever.

Then go to the staffer in particular and say well how did the particular pair of shoes you bought go today?

See staffers eyes get this big like saucers.

No harm no foul. Now if I got into WOPR and stole the nuclear keys (A cookie for those of you old enough to recognize that particular movie...) or perhaps got into the Ma Bell phone system in those days and so on.. yea the Law would be interested.

Decades ago I had a rather valuable online game account and I had farmers from Norks, Chinee and all sorts of hostile networks trying to breach my own firewall. It got so bad that I began to ban entire nations by subnet and range off ICan, RIPE etc. That quieted things down.

Today in the cell phone world I do nothing legal, nothing financial in particular and nothing medical on the smart phone. What I do use it to consume the daily blather from the Media organs and so on and thats it. Its useful. But nothing truly important.

I see people go around with the thing in one hand and a baby in the other. Its almost a Ocams choice for mommy when the smart phone demands something now and the baby wails for something or other at the same time.

The more I see stuff like that the more i wish I can build a time machine and go back and fix it.
Dakone May 24, 2023 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by SilentSith:
Im a long time player of sto, for many years new players have accused us older players of cheating due to our dps, however today a friend told me about a hacking website for sto.
Of course i didn't believe it so i took a look myself, to my shock there it was a bot miner and cheats for sto. this needs to be stopped i grind over time.


I believe the bot is a real thing however there isn't much point in hacking this game since STO keybind pretty much does what we need it to do which is macros beyond that not much point..

However I have noticed that some memory data isn't server sided and stats do fall under that however the server does check these memory strings against previous saved data and if they don't match correctly the account does get flagged. So even if you do cheat in this game your account wont last long.

Also other things such as aimbot and esp isn't really necessary in a game thats mostly pve and you can pretty much create a aimbot in game with macros for ground combat so ya really no point in it rather than to more than likely scam people with key loggers.
Last edited by Dakone; May 24, 2023 @ 11:09am
plonk Apr 23, 2024 @ 5:31am 
Originally posted by Agnithrax:
Trigger Warning: Whimsy and rambling as muh ADHD meds take effect. Run on sentences and probable incoherence. :steamfacepalm:

I haven't done it forevers, but the Cryptic games: Champions Online / our beloved STO; they used to let us run scripts in game. All my notes and whatnot for it were on whatever number computers ago, now lost to the electronic pits and piles of India by now. STO is so easy peasy even on advanced let alone the TFO Normal default however that I don't know why anyone would bother with scripts or a cheat sites or things like that but to each their own I guess. It's got to be farmers, and hey at least they're working a job and feeding themselves I suppose. Of course my perspective on the game is adulterated by all the endeavors and other buffs and bennies I've picked up along the way with muh mk xv goldies gear I'm so proud of and all that so my perspective on the game is likely an outlier and quite possibly irrelevant to general play anymore. I dunno. I'm surmising the people who get the cheats stuck in their craw are pretty new and are getting their targets smoked right out from under them in TFO's by asshats like me with the gear and the endeavors and the nifty consoles that let you swoop down on the trash mobs like the hand of god in a fly by of devastation. It's a lot of fun being big and badass and even if STO spent the time and money getting all the bots and all the script kiddies got there's still many many many players with all the goodies going for them that what's really upsetting these players is old farts playing the game as designed which isn't going to change again anytime soon if ever. It's simply time spent that unbalances the playing scale in TFO PUGs; I'd rather STO spend their time and resources on the umpteen problems that still arise from old old spaghettiware and keeping that episode content cranking out, the cheaters and the bots don't phase me or affect my gameplay a bit. In respect to the farmers, I wouldn't want to live where they live and if their cost of living can be supported by game farming then I'll just count my blessings y'know. I feel like the the cheats, should those sites be effective and ultimately not just datamining malware, are a nothing burger and in 6 months or so these players who are upset now will get over it as they fly around like Billy Badass themselves and hear all about the horrible unbalanced game and the farmers and the bots from the next generation of new players.

this is the way especially in pvp,
Captain Trump Apr 24, 2024 @ 9:47am 
They said in one stream, that cheats are not possible in STO, because of the way their servers are set up or something like that, in any case, its impossible to cheat, you can only exploit bugs that they can fix
The only way anyone can buy into the "DPS club" is paying for overpriced exchange items, or buying someone else's account if put up for sale.

And even then, you would likely be spending real-life money for a PvE game to have high DPS for what, a faster mission time?

That's kinda lame.

There are most certainly "grind bots" I've seen for years, often some player running 2-8 alternate-toons at once to farm events and easy "pew pew" missions or follow your ship around. That's the only "hax" I'm aware of.
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