Problems with Onslaught Villian Instafarmers

[Tilarta]

I've been suspicious about the motivations of those who collect Guardian Tokens for a while now and after today, maybe they're not just theoretical suppositions.

A player appeared in zone chat requesting that someone transform into an OV and get instakilled by a turret so they could complete the daily Guardian mission.
I responded to the request with the statement I would transform into an OV, but the player in question would have to help me gain my 50 Villian tokens first, that it wasn't going to be a free kill.
I don't know what they said in response exactly, but it was two words and the first one was blocked by the profanity filter.
Then this player kept making the same request and I don't think anyone else offered to help them.

I find this request extremely arrogant and selfish, that they expected me to give up my once per day transformation so they could get an easy completion and not give something back in return?
I don't have access to the system that grants a transformation for 100 Guardian tokens, so once a day is all I get.

Also, for about a week now, I've made the callout when I transformed into an OV, stated I would not be passive and nobody showed up.
In the end, I stopped offering and now just go around defeating UNTIL Power Armor suits.
But I had noticed whenever someone says Passive OV, the players will instantly arrive.

And the few players who did show up walk backwards towards the turret and when they are at risk of being defeated, they instantly vanish from the map.
Whether they logged out or switched maps, I do not know.

In light of all of this, I'm thinking the Guardian token system is just encouraging selfish behavior, that players want to earn their prizes by preventing the OV player from earning theirs.

[Hems]

Catching on a little slow aren't you? :P (Only joking :))

This is the way the Onslaught system has been since it was implemented and the devs don't seem to be interested in changing that (or looking at OV's whatsoever for that matter). At the end of the day, the aim of the heroes is to bring down the villain and the easiest way to do that is with a turret.

I used to think that we are a community and should be helping each other, but have come to realise that as with most online communities a majority of players will only looking out for themselves.

If you want to go the hero defeating route, I'd recommend joining an SG, otherwise it's much faster and more reliable to just hit the OV targets.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Tilarta:

Also, for about a week now, I've made the callout when I transformed into an OV, stated I would not be passive and nobody showed up.

Small wonder if you just state you wont be passive, unless a big group forms you wont go down, so saying that you wont be passive basicaly tells people that they should come and waste their time getting killed by you and getting nothing in return.

If you want tokens tell ppl that you go passive after X [X= how many kills you need to complete], cause that way you actually promise them that they get something back in return.
Somebody just telling he wont be passive, honestly I don't waste my time with either.

[Tilarta]

@Hems
My first 10k Vllian tokens came fairly easy and I only did this recently.
Because the players who volunteered to assist were relatively common.
It's only when I decided to go for a second batch of 10k Villian tokens that I encountered the scenarios described above.

@galadon3
I tried modifying the message to state I would go passive after my hero defeat quota was met.
It made no difference, nobody arrived.

In the end, it's the players who are losing out here, not me.
I get my Villian tokens regardless, but they won't get Guardian tokens if I don't co-operate or participate.

@The Kawaii
In my personal experience, if enough players show up and agree to be defeated, I'll make my quota extra fast.
And then they get whatever time I have remaining before diving to earn some Guardian tokens by attacking a passive OV.

[Hems]

Either you've been quite lucky for your first 10k tokens or the community had changed a bit in my absence. I've gotten in excess of 100k tokens across a few different characters and relying on other players always seemed to be an issue due to the lack of interest. I usually wait for a couple of mins then focus on the targets instead since you can get the tokens needed in ~10 mins.

If you are still considering defeating players it's also worth checking if there is a Cosmic up somewhere before you start your Onslaught. Comics will take anywhere from 30-60 people away from MC which can make a big impact on how many people respond to your call out.

[Tilarta]

@Hems
I've never figured out how to hit all the targets in the time allotted, mostly because I keep having an accidentall fall while using Grond's superjump that saps his health.
Which makes me loathe to use it, as I don't want to deplete health unncessarily and therefore, slow to travel across the game.

To be honest, I'm wishing they never added Cosmics, because even when they're not active, it's too much of a distraction.
I have a cosmic monitoring channel active in my chat screen and it seems what players do is spend three hours online waiting for a cosmic battle to be announced.
Three hours in which they could actually be playing the game!!!!

[Hems]

Yea I'm not fond of the way they made the villains travel power short term with a huge cooldown, but I guess it would make sense if you were chasing them all over the city (as I'm assuming was originally intended).

As much as I love Grond, I think Medusa is the best for hitting the targets. I'm going purely from memory so this might be slightly wrong, but the general strategy is:

- Stand at max range
- Use Lance Rain
- Use Power #4 (Whatever the other ranged power is called)
- Wait at max range for the power armour to come to you. Before it can reach you Lance Rain will have recharged.
- Use Lance Rain again
- Move in and quickly use your melee power (#2)

9 times out of 10 this will net you an easy power armour kill without taking a single point of damage. I've cleared 8 targets and got my 50 tokens whilst only taking ~200k damage quite easily.

[Tilarta]

@Hems
I have my own techniques for minimizing damage with Grond:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1505984613

1. Jump around, it's harder for the UNTIL Defender to lock on.
2. Put enemies between Grond and the UD, they'll fight them temporarily, giving a chance to damage them without being attacked.
3. Vertical Displacement. The time wasted flying up to Grond's level is extra time to damage to UD without being attacked.

I've sometimes used all of these in combination.

The health I lost at the beginning of the video was the only health lost, he still had that level when he was finished.
Of course, results may vary depending on circumstances.
It doesn't always work this effectively.