Incapacitor Grenades alert the entire city

[Anker]

This is dumb, but... I, being flush with cash and nothing to spend it on, decided to play around with the tools I never touch. Despite it being time for my arrest target to be home, they weren't yet, so I left a tracker on the wall and an incapacitor grenade just for fun.

Well, guess what? The mine went off in some guy's apartment, and me, being two streets away, was immediately aggroed by everyone in the crowd who wanted a fight. What, am I the only person in the city who uses these? Does the entire city have a psychic link to that one dude?

There's not much use trying to be sneaky with these things when you could knife everyone in broad daylight and get the same result.

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by Anker:

This is dumb, but... I, being flush with cash and nothing to spend it on, decided to play around with the tools I never touch. Despite it being time for my arrest target to be home, they weren't yet, so I left a tracker on the wall and an incapacitor grenade just for fun.

Well, guess what? The mine went off in some guy's apartment, and me, being two streets away, was immediately aggroed by everyone in the crowd who wanted a fight. What, am I the only person in the city who uses these? Does the entire city have a psychic link to that one dude?

There's not much use trying to be sneaky with these things when you could knife everyone in broad daylight and get the same result.

To be fair it is an explosive. I imagine many, many people might hear that.
Not to say it makes any sense that they'd know it was YOU, though.
For what its worth, now that they can be set on the wall as a trap, you can always just book it to a hiding place (under a desk is best, you're literally invisible) before it pops

[Anker]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

For what its worth, now that they can be set on the wall as a trap, you can always just book it to a hiding place (under a desk is best, you're literally invisible) before it pops

I did, though, is my point. I set it as a trap with the motion detector to let me know when it went off and went about my business, expecting to get other things done in the meanwhile- Not knowing I had to go home and hide in a bush for the entire duration of this NPC's meandering walk home or something.

[Katana]

Originally posted by Anker:

Originally posted by Isabelle:

For what its worth, now that they can be set on the wall as a trap, you can always just book it to a hiding place (under a desk is best, you're literally invisible) before it pops

I did, though, is my point. I set it as a trap with the motion detector to let me know when it went off and went about my business, expecting to get other things done in the meanwhile- Not knowing I had to go home and hide in a bush for the entire duration of this NPC's meandering walk home or something.

Damn, that sucks - and seems like a fair criticism.

Even in action games, this is something I wish for; part of what makes action-stealth compelling is when you *can* trigger loud noises against NPCs (remote bombs, proximity mines), but they don't actually hint to them where you're currently hiding.

Given the low combat AI of this game, maybe they could just make it so that if the object has been in place for over 10 seconds, then its explosion only triggers a generic alert state as though an alarm had been pulled, not one targeting the player.

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by Anker:

Originally posted by Isabelle:

For what its worth, now that they can be set on the wall as a trap, you can always just book it to a hiding place (under a desk is best, you're literally invisible) before it pops

I did, though, is my point. I set it as a trap with the motion detector to let me know when it went off and went about my business, expecting to get other things done in the meanwhile- Not knowing I had to go home and hide in a bush for the entire duration of this NPC's meandering walk home or something.

What I mean is, the spaces below people's desks (where it says "hiding place") essentially make you completely undetectable by NPCs- so if you're being chased they're good to duck into.

No idea why or how civs would aggro on you if you're far way from the bomb, though. I'd guess it's just the game treating the explosion as if it's the player doing something illegal.

[Anker]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

No idea why or how civs would aggro on you if you're far way from the bomb, though. I'd guess it's just the game treating the explosion as if it's the player doing something illegal.

Yes, that's how it works. All crime will set the AI on the player, it seems like.