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Could be better by writing which jobs you used for mp chars
Also saying just the TA is not very effective, because stage 15 is 2 bosses overlapped, this means MP is easy to build for mp chars....
And this means, 200k TA elesis with more Special attack and attack would do a better time than a 200k TA elesis that got the 200k by High Mp recovery.
Since basically every character in the game you would build the same crit rate/dmg attack spa, the list is assuming you are actually building the right stats and not just stacking mp recovery for TA boosting.
NOw all is usable so that the Amy need more.. not believe it.. actually without a video showing how got the data is incomplete and not usefull for anything this list. At least for enjoy it. First how use the jobs for get good damage.. and/or get the max theorical dmg. NOw the time is average, example my mari at 260K do it in 1;40 to 2:00 so is a average of 1:50 if we see the list my mari should be less but again this is average.
Yea me personally? I'm not making 19 videos since there are a decent amount out there doing WL15. I play all characters in WL 15 and their TA ranges from 160k-220k they all use the same build (no mp cards). Characters like Mari require you to use a specific weapon (first job) if u want to get the fastest clear time. My Mari with first job weapon is 184k and her times are between 1:35-1:45
S/he make a video that shows her TA and time so I can say that is proof to me. yup in this other post to say all is semi BS.. but again this is very chase dependent.. 200k at chase lvl of 500 is way different that 200k at chase lvl 0, Approx 50% or more of damage done.
found other video of Veigas 210K and 2:40.. again all i know is your times are too weird...
ok have to ask... do you use pots, mp pots or something like that? I know I have many but usually not use them If I use them my time go down by a lot probably is the only form I think your time table can get any sense...
I'm really not about to make 19 videos tho
He's not about to make 19 videos thou. why don't you make your own WL 15 tier list video content too since you have youtube and a streamer, khermerker?
Now this mari have a very high crit chance O.o and her stats are great... 1:44 seems more near to better time that longer. But after see it.. I see why 1st mari do it so great.. so will explain.. actually I will do WL 15 with 3 job mari and 1st mari in respond to why it works here and why is not good in other maps... that is the thing I mean with WL 15 go a good team mean nothing with ToD and other things.
So here I go i dont like use 1st job cause mobs move and keep it be hitting is a pain, think in gaikoz for example try the same thing here is bad, so yup we can think more in good for WL 15 bad for go to other things.
NOw 4 job solve that but in compensation to have more consistenci in example gaikoz lose all turrents so you have more damage in gaikoz but in WL you do it more way more slower.
NOw her crit chance is impresive so impresive that wow, my mari have 60% is no near to that my 1st mp bar stil fail a lot in 3 job T.T but well see her mp recovery too.
This is the thing I said up, is 50% yup you need mp recovery for that spam she did. so 60% crit (and still see more consistency that my crits of 60%) but lower crit dmg. This is great for the claim of low 10 secs of difference. There was no persefone activation this is the biggest time change, and is great she could do 10-15 secs more faster if persophone earring activate.
Now before this well finish, me doing videos showing way more time means nothing, again is probably that Im not using the skills, strategies or anything else. So my claiming is I not see what she says, but right now this video helps me understand why mari 1st job do it great there, I never used turrent and i like more geass so only use her. tried 3 job but saw or tought saw turrent be destroyed so leave it like that but now see that not happen to 1st job.. maybe bug.. dunno.
This is something again will make a video explaining why and do it, cause I will be teaching what I learn but only this video shows a lot of things I already said. Example and sorry for say it again, the not have mp recovery in cards in equips seems true but cause got mp recovery in substats or something like that.
well respond in wrong order but he got a question directed to me. Well the thing is you did teach more about game with this video that your ranking without any info. I really tought for example, tht turrents could be destroyed there, but not, your stats are interesting but you said no mp recovery cards.. ok so what about the 50% mp recovery?,, bad stats.. good substats.. try again with less and see how time change.. believe me will change.
Also did not tought that bombs recover mp... that is interesting very interesting. So yup 1st job mari have huge adventage there, but now that see it.. will not change my overall use of Geass cause turrents are bad for ToD for example. So right now you teach a lot of people how use Mari for WL.
I did start with grand chase videos cause did some math to check things I say, balance of crit dmg and crit chance, etc. and well teach others, if you really want help others.. well my suggestion is more do those videos that give info that a table that give nothing.
Now will finish saying thanks this video again teach me a lot that will use for make a video respond, so well will try again my bad english and a spanish version of it. Hope clarify why this tier list is a problem without more info and why I will not do a tier list.. but if you do a full 19 videos of all chars I will do same. Maybe we can increase the time of all chars seeing how others do it.
PD: there was a speed running web for this.. was interesting and see some but nobody post there.. now think tht was a mistake mine and probably others think that is for whales. yup the whales are the only interesting making the videos but showing how we get the best times can help others a lot. Actually with this think put a new category of WL 15 will help a lot.. so yup will make videos for that webpage again thinking in that.
https://www.speedrun.com/grandchase
Nope Im f2p more of 50% of chars are no enar to 200k for say about that... also my stats are well what I can get.
This video will needs more way more time tht I tought I not get near to that time showed even with way better stats. OK seems my problem is time better the skills for not get hit... also the turrent put.. now wonder if I can reduce my time in 4 job if I not get hit... or a combo of 1st job/3 job give best results.. wish wyzard laberinth didnt have this time restriciton...
For the curius, my crid chance not change is 66% but my critical dmg is 482% so 100% higher, also my mp recovery is lower that is 38% not enough low for see a difference so big, my atk is 25k... well maybe my mp recovery is indeed lower... for 1st job.. but not see it... for the 10 secs of difference I still have and that was best run..
after check more.. yup seems the difference is not so high as I first tought, and finally got my consistency of time between numbers around the 1:45 of video and wow is not so easy and very torrent dependent.
OK seems the torrent must be on field 100% of time putting and not get hit is something I still can't do but yup reduces from 1- 5 secs doing it better or not. If there is a cancel for fast move.. could be good to know.
About the difference of time is notorious but my TA is 220k (with the book, my geass is 264k) so it like 5 secs better but again is more about pracitce maybe with time can do it 10 secs better that is the number more close.
The mp recovery is well high at 45% and more higher at 50% I think. so probably 30% as is my suggestion you do more damage.. but again mp on mari comes from RNG that cards usually.
Well again we solve MAry case later in the afternoon will make a video about this and will put it here and cloase the Mary case. Also is very dependent of were you put the chase points. so without further info there can't say much.
TL; DR and bad english so never saw.
yup 1st job mari at 170k can do it in less of 2 mins in a consistent manner the time not go to you say either, dunno if all my runs were cause I was bad ( I tought so sometimes i did see backwards and put wrong the turrent) but the damage is turrent based, this means that ToD or berkas where is more important the AoE of Geass make it you can't extrapole the results to other things.
Finally and my point was see a list and from that conclude something more that you play way better than me is not good. Actually didnt want respond this post at all but seeing 1 people thinking you can conclude things outside of scope of your points is a problem.
https://youtu.be/BC4uqbP3wY8