Permanent ceasefire with pirates

[CircuitOverlord]

Alright, so I just spent 100's of thousands of credits, and 100's of thousands in resources to get relationship with pirates up to 80... the moment I or they jump out of system they go right back to being hostile again.

Any way to change this, I'm fine with editing save files.

I edited the starting difficulty to Ally and relationshipdecay being false, but nothing has changed.

I assume there is another section for current relationships with factions, and I just need to find it. Or is relationship changing just not working at all, and I wasted all my wealth for nothing.

[CircuitOverlord]

This strikes me as a bug, I messed around with the save file editor, and still no joy. Pirate faction still is listed as hostile even though I'm at +80 relationship with them.

[CircuitOverlord]

Originally posted by stinkin badges:

(Cough) Kill Box

eh?! Kill Box, please elaborate. I suspect you have a great point, I'm just not getting it.

[HangarPilot]

I haven't tried in a while, but last I knew faction relationship was only partially implemented. While you can raise/lower your number by doing good/bad things ... no, the overall status of neutral/friendly/ally does not change as a result.

While you can declare war on a faction and flip them hostile, I believe "cease fire" is only a temporary truce and (at present) you can not flip them back to neutral in game.

That said...

Originally posted by CircuitOverlord:

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I edited the starting difficulty to Ally and relationshipdecay being false, but nothing has changed.

This works for me. I have successfully started a new game in the past setting up the Androids as an Ally.

As for editing the save file, there's a <map> section where there faction relationships are defined. There appear to be separate sections for each faction defining how they relate to other factions. Look for the section where s1="Player" and it defines how each faction relates to the the player. For example, the very first of them shows how the Pirates (s2) relate to the Player (s1). I just did a quick test and changed it from "Enemies" and "Ally" and *poof* they went green!

<l s1="Player" s2="Pirate" stance="Enemies" relationship="-44" patience="100" accessTrade="false" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="false" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Slaver" stance="Neutral" relationship="-2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Merchant" stance="Neutral" relationship="7" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Cultist" stance="Neutral" relationship="2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Military" stance="Neutral" relationship="3" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Android" stance="Neutral" relationship="2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Civilian" stance="Neutral" relationship="5" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>

Hope this helps.

[CircuitOverlord]

Originally posted by HangarPilot:

I haven't tried in a while, but last I knew faction relationship was only partially implemented. While you can raise/lower your number by doing good/bad things ... no, the overall status of neutral/friendly/ally does not change as a result.

While you can declare war on a faction and flip them hostile, I believe "cease fire" is only a temporary truce and (at present) you can not flip them back to neutral in game.

That said...

Originally posted by CircuitOverlord:

...
I edited the starting difficulty to Ally and relationshipdecay being false, but nothing has changed.

This works for me. I have successfully started a new game in the past setting up the Androids as an Ally.

As for editing the save file, there's a <map> section where there faction relationships are defined. There appear to be separate sections for each faction defining how they relate to other factions. Look for the section where s1="Player" and it defines how each faction relates to the the player. For example, the very first of them shows how the Pirates (s2) relate to the Player (s1). I just did a quick test and changed it from "Enemies" and "Ally" and *poof* they went green!

<l s1="Player" s2="Pirate" stance="Enemies" relationship="-44" patience="100" accessTrade="false" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="false" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Slaver" stance="Neutral" relationship="-2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Merchant" stance="Neutral" relationship="7" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Cultist" stance="Neutral" relationship="2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Military" stance="Neutral" relationship="3" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Android" stance="Neutral" relationship="2" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>
<l s1="Player" s2="Civilian" stance="Neutral" relationship="5" patience="100" accessTrade="true" accessShip="false" accessVision="false" accessServices="true" s1SusOfS2="false" s2SusOfS1="false" playerOwesSettlement="0" settlementArrivedTurn="0" awareOfCrew="false"/>

Hope this helps.

oooh, this is super helpful, thanks. I'll give it a try. Much appreciated.

[CircuitOverlord]

That worked HangarPilot, thank you so much. You saved my game. I was thinking about restarting.

[HangarPilot]

Happy to help. Have fun being the PirateOverlord!

[CircuitOverlord]

hahaha, That should be my new nickname LOL

[CircuitOverlord]

Originally posted by stinkin badges:

Originally posted by CircuitOverlord:

eh?! Kill Box, please elaborate. I suspect you have a great point, I'm just not getting it.

Sorry. It looks like you have your solution. Mine is to 'kill them all, sir'. ;)

Generally I'd totally agree with you, but this time I wanted an alliance. I've attackeded the Military Alliance, and the Cultists... So I need someone else to trade with hehe

[EurakaLi]

Originally posted by CircuitOverlord:

Originally posted by stinkin badges:

Sorry. It looks like you have your solution. Mine is to 'kill them all, sir'. ;)

Generally I'd totally agree with you, but this time I wanted an alliance. I've attackeded the Military Alliance, and the Cultists... So I need someone else to trade with hehe

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