How do you get legendary items or legendary orbs for that matter?

[wulfster42]

So I'm pretty much at end game here. There are still things to advance (just have 1 char, supermonkey to level 7 so far), but I can pretty much finish any of the maps with just supermonkey at this point, though PB is good to start off with and gives him nice buffs (she has the thing that adds 3 damage to all enemies in her range, and a bunch of other buff stuff on her. Don't even need Jake and Marione anymore since Sung God freaking destroys everything with all the buffs SM has (and the allies on PB boost his speed a ton more).

That being said, I got 1....yep 1.....legendary orb ever, and all I got fro it (do to bad luck, was a stupid train ally that seems to suck compared to many other much less rare allies.

I've gotten TONS of epic orbs, and can still get an epic orb every 3 plat runs or so probably (even though I can only actually get a chest from the beacons at this point). Never got a random legendary option from opening epics at all.

I know you get 1 legendary orb from finishing an event (That is the only one I got, fro the holloween event, and just got upgrade materials and 1 ally, even rolling over).

So at this point, it seems like all I can do is log on to do beacons every tie they reset (so I actually get a chest) but since I usually only get blue or pink orbs anyway for finishing the beacon, and I usually get a pink or at least just running any platinum (and sometimes I get an epic, and I usually get enough shards from destroying blue or lower to get about 1/3rd of an epic as well), it seems like at this point it just makes sense to set up my chars (can do it with 2, but if I put in the buffers etc, I just let it auto-advance and can finish it without having to pay attention). So wish I had a monkey farmer though, as I do needs to move my mouse a bit at the end to get everything (should auto-collect at the end since with fast forward you barely have time to pick stuff up.

Anyway, is there anything else I can do? There are tons of legendary items, but I don't see a way to actually try and get them. There is no way to save up for a legendary orb (say like 10000 shards for instance), which I could actually do fairly fast if that was possible. That would be worth almost 3 epics, but it would give you the ability to actually get those items.

Love the game, but I got lucky with the wands that drop items when you damage the moabs early on, and that made it last less then two weeks to this point. There wasn't much challenge for the last few days either (just running through all the plat maps and getting the completion bonus etc). I stopped having any difficulty even on fire/water etc maps days ago....and now there is no challenge at all.

Kinda sad because the game is so fun!! I wish there was more to do.

[Waste_of_skin]

As far as I know, you can only get a legendary orb by finishing an event, like the Halloween event. There will presumably be another event around Xmas. There could be another event before that (they have an "Investigation" event that they sometimes run in between the seasonal/holiday events), but I kind of doubt it, because Xmas isn't really that far off. I just started playing this year, so I don't know what events they had around this time last year.

I assume that it's not possible to get a legendary item from an epic orb (but you can get epic items from legendary orbs, which kind of sucks ).

You can get some legendary items/characters in exchange for the crystals that you get for playing the Martian Games, but it takes a lot of crystals. It's 75,000 for a legendary character, like Hunter Marceline. I think it's 45,000 for a legendary item. The available items/characters change periodically.

It's hard to believe that you can finish Impoppable with just 2 characters, although I've never actually tried. And, of course, you couldn't even use Supermonkey until well into a map, because he costs so much. So there's probably more to what you're doing than just PB and SM.

FWIW, the game will auto-collect any drops at the end of the last round, but most drops, including orbs, disappear after a short amount of time, so the stuff that drops earlier has to be collected (either by you, or Monkey Farmer). If you happen to have the Treasure Chest Keys trinket, I've read that the chests that it gives you don't disappear (so they'll all be collected automatically at the end of the last round), but I've never tried to test that myself.

It sounds like you have the Thought Cannon Wand (TCW). If so, and if you plan to keep on playing for much longer, I would consider buying Monkey Farmer. I was lucky and got him from a legendary orb from an earlier event, and he's a real game-changer. If I had realized how helpful he was, I probably would have bought him when I got my first TCW.

[wulfster42]

Yeah I use allies and missile on PB for the early part, you get the cash quickly for SM that way (PB also has the 50% speed boost item and a buncha other useful boosts). Once you get SM it's all over though, he has the cameo detect glasses with the range increase, double gold from popping things, the sun god upgrade trinket, 50% attack speed boost, and PB has the speed boost allies (so all 3 of them boost SM's speed by 60% (30% twice..they stack).

I have two of the thought wands and while I used to use the phoenix wands, I long ago stopped needing them, so I have a thought wand on both flame princess and Ice dude. It's over kill but if I actually bother placing ore then a few characters I destroy any map at this point (since getting sun god I don't even bother with other abilities anymore except for sams (don't really need his, but it destroys baloons so much).

Main prob is there is no reason to keep playing anymore. The martian thing could be fun if they would stop having allies only maps....but pink wish orbs are worthless at this point pretty much (might as well shard them, but I check to see if I get an epic drop from a re-roll first). Even most of the epic items I have more then I need of them. All I really need left is legendary items, but they don't have a way for you to farm for them.

Before I got level 7 on SM the maps were already easy. I have the trinket on PB that m akes enemies in her range take 3 extra damage from all sources. Fin has missile, which with his attack speed and bound by word shoots insanely fast and he obliterates the start of the game all by himself. I have enough extra trinket slots to have the 300$ extra gold to start (so I can place PB and Fin right away easily), and I need about...2 inches? if that of track to destroy the biggest moab thing at round 75.......without Sun God.

I don't even bother positioning etc anymore and just get as close to the enterance as possible. If I was going to continue playing, I'd swap out one of my chars for Captain Casie so I could just set her up to make the money (I use PB's 750 a round currently which is work). With casies temple stealing (I have the item that lets me place her anywhere), I would have plenty of cash without having to hit an ability every round. I already just have it auto-move forward all the time (and I just wait till like round 50 to place/upgrade most of the chars if I even bother.

So yeah, sadly there is no reason to keep playing if I can't get legendary items. I can only get a reward for a map (other then a bag that gives almost nothing) every time beacon resets....or just from the thought wand drops.

Those thought wands are probably what caused me to zoom through the game so fast as I got a ton of epic orbs and/shards to buy epic orbs from them. Without one (I never got the treasure keys sadly) it would have taken much, much longer for me to finish everything I'm sure.

[Waste_of_skin]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Yeah I use allies and missile on PB for the early part, you get the cash quickly for SM that way (PB also has the 50% speed boost item and a buncha other useful boosts). Once you get SM it's all over though, he has the cameo detect glasses with the range increase, double gold from popping things, the sun god upgrade trinket, 50% attack speed boost, and PB has the speed boost allies (so all 3 of them boost SM's speed by 60% (30% twice..they stack).

Are the "speed boost allies" that you're talking about Lemonhope? I've read that they don't stack (two Lemonhopes on one character is no faster than one Lemonhope), but I've never really tried to test that.

And I've read that there is a limit on how fast characters can attack, and that upgraded Supermonkey is close to that limit, so his attack speed can't actually be increased by 50% (I think it was around 20 or 30% and then he hits the cap). But, again, that's just what I've read. {shrug} In any case, I guess the details don't really matter if it works for you.

I don't use Sun God in the regular game (I'll use it in Martian Games), because it's just so expensive. Rather than wait until I've got the money for that, I just put out other characters (and then I don't need Sun God). Six of one, half a dozen of the other, I guess.

Originally posted by wulfster42:

The martian thing could be fun if they would stop having allies only maps....

Yeah, if it's Allies Only, I don't expect to take the throne. I'm guessing that the people that get really far in those have some of the legendary or Martian allies. But you still get some crystals for just making it through round 10, and then every 5 rounds after that.

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Before I got level 7 on SM the maps were already easy. I have the trinket on PB that m akes enemies in her range take 3 extra damage from all sources. Fin has missile, which with his attack speed and bound by word shoots insanely fast and he obliterates the start of the game all by himself.

That sounds like the Googoomamameter. I put that on SM, because he seemed to have the biggest range (although that may depend on your weapons and trinkets).

Never used Bound By Word. I've always just used Bro Fist to generate cash, and stuck with that. I guess I wasn't really interested in Bound By Word because it's based on the assumption that something is going to get through, and in most of the TD games I've played, that's bad. If anything gets through, that means I've messed up.

[wulfster42]

Yeah, far as I can tell there doesn't seen to be a speed cap and you can see that easily with Fin and Bound by Word, it increases your attack speed by 3x all by itself, but stacks with other speed boosts. If you wanna have fun, do a FIN only run lol....nobody but Fin. Make sure you put missile on him because his speed increase affects the missile attacks as well. Oh you need PB as well btw for the bound by word but she doesn't actually damage anyone (though her +3 damage bonus from google does help a ton).

There may be a speed increase cap per character from trinkets and abilitiess, but there are other things that stack. Lemondude stacks with other speed increases and you can use both boosts on the same character (and they stack for 30% each). With 1 on PB (with her allies upgrade) and 1 on whoever is the other char that can use him (I forget...think it's jake actually), you have 4 of them going, which is a 240% speed increase.

Finn multiplies his BASE speed with bound by word by 3, and then any other speed increases multiply that, so with all the lemondrops boosting him, his attack speed (and missile speed) is insane lol. Just Finn + PB is crazy (toss in jake for the buffs from the instrument and another lemon drop and again, you can probably finish the maps with just that (although I have not tried it).

Also IF you have the place on water item that boosts speed by 20% (forget it's name), you can ALSO place the water nymphs that boost attack speed for all other allies/characters in the same body of water, for even more insane boosts to attack speed, it gets ridiculous.

As far as why I put the google thingy on PB, she doesn't do nearly as much damage, and has the trinkets to spare, I prioratize damage over range because some maps only have a short span, and when powered up, SM (and max) can absolutely destroy the level 75 bloon in just a short distance. Better to do that then have a huge range. I do boost the range on my buffers which makes placement easier (jake and marceone) back when I actually needed them, and I add +range/speed etc buff items on them (also put missile on jake). The damage boost instraments rock on both of them, boosting everyones damage by +1 as well, then I also have the +5 damage to Moabs on my damage chars (specially Fin/SM/Max).

Net result is insane damage to Moabs and larger, and anything non-Moab doesn't matter (instantly dies) anyway. I focused on Moabs and larger along time ago. As far as range, the glasses that give cameo detection add like 7 to range by themselves. The trinket that is supposed to just add 2 range to nearby allies, actually boosts characters as well, and stacks (So PB/Jake/Marceone all have them, and that adds 6 range to everyone (including 4 range to each other). Then due to always having PB anyway, I always have everyone wear the bowtie (except the girls wear the male version FP is near IK so he gets double bonuses from both)...since that adds both range and attack speed. Those 2 items give everyone a huge range already (7 I think from glasses, 6 from the buffs, 6 from the bowtie). Then I get 3 damage bonus from PB, 2 from instraments, 5 against moabs, 2 (4 for finn) from another trinket (demon heart thingy).

SM still has a buncha slots to get more bonuses from the 50% speed increase one is nice, I use the banana replicator on him for convienence, and the Sun god trinket I think rounds them out (don't have game opened). Finn goes with the speed trinket/demon heart (he uses the demon sword so it adds 4 damage to him, the sword adds 3-4 (forget) and his attack speed is insane because of bound by word), Finn uses missile which makes the early game cake (missiles kill everything lol, doen'st matter what the map placement is).

Jake also has missiles, and I like PB to have them as well if she has an extra slot, damage bonuses are added to the missile, and speed increases affect how fast they shoot, so with finn for instance, he does a freakton AND if you give him the item that adds 2 damage or 8 range, it seems to add BOTH because with missile he has both a melee and range attack (and the range bonus affects his melee attacks as well). Finns range with the missile equiped and the above setup (+20 or so range between trinkets/buffs), is insanely huge.

Anyway point is, the game is trivialized at that point where you can literally destroy all the maps with just 4 characters (tons of combinations), just using the last bunch for things like the thought wands for wish orbs etc, but not needing their damage/abilities at all.

I would love the monkey farmer (but don't really need to farm for any content at this point) and i would like the create a platform unicorn thingie (which you could just purchase with martian coins but...a freakton of them.

At this point I wouldn't spend martian coins on epic orbs anymore (I got all the orbs from the last one), but I would need forever to save up for that unicorn thingy....and honestly I don't need it for any maps anymore.

SM is already invulnerable to negative effects so needs nothing for the fire maps or negative effect maps. On water maps I could replace one of his items for a water placement (+20% speed) item, but honestly makes sense to just put those on other chars and place him on land. So I don't really need the platform ally anymore.

Monkey Farmer would be nice but if it auto-collects at the end, then it doesn't matter much, that is the only thing I sometimes miss (because I kill the end stupid baloon too fast to get my dumb mouse cursor over to it. Dumb Sun God upgrade with all the damage etc just obliterates them all before I can drag my mouse back over.

I'll prob log in every so often and do beacons, but they give crap rewards and there isn't much i need from epics. I might try and do the non-ally only martian games when they come back, but it's such a long road to get any of the things useful to me at this point from there.

Slowly working on leveling the characters might make some sense, but again, I don't need more power currently, so it doesn't really seem that important. Kinda feel like i have finished the game, not just by finishing all the maps on impopable, but by getting my party so strong they trivialize maps on the hardest difficulty already.

[Waste_of_skin]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Yeah, far as I can tell there doesn't seen to be a speed cap and you can see that easily with Fin and Bound by Word, it increases your attack speed by 3x all by itself, but stacks with other speed boosts.

The thing there is that SM's base speed, according to the stats in the game, is already 3 times Finn's (12.78 vs 4.23), so a 3x increase on Finn just brings him up to about SM's level. Supposedly the attack speed in the game doesn't go too much higher than that. But I didn't see an easy way to test that, so I just took the word of more experienced players. Maybe they were wrong.

Along the same lines, I read that multiple Lemonhope buffs (from the same Lemonhope or different ones) don't stack, but maybe they were wrong about that too.

I've got Missile on just about everybody. They do take care of a lot, but you have to watch out for ghost bloons. The missiles don't hurt them at all.

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Jake also has missiles, and I like PB to have them as well if she has an extra slot, damage bonuses are added to the missile, and speed increases affect how fast they shoot, so with finn for instance, he does a freakton AND if you give him the item that adds 2 damage or 8 range, it seems to add BOTH because with missile he has both a melee and range attack (and the range bonus affects his melee attacks as well).

I think the Powerometer increases Finn's range because his Flying Kick (or maybe Finn of Fury) is a ranged attack, not because he has Missile.

It really doesn't sound like you need this, but FYI ...

If you put Soul Stone (epic trinket that lowers upgrade costs by 10%) on SM, and you have Marceline nearby with Hambo (epic trinket that lowers the cost of upgrades that grant an ability by 50%, and that also applies to nearby characters), you can bring the Sun God upgrade cost down from 40K to just 18K (I think it's 18K. Something like that anyway). If nothing else, that might be useful if you were playing a Martian Game where you were getting half the normal cash.

On the Bound By Word thing ...

I assume that you're also using Royal Promise?

Bound By Word seemed pointless on Impoppable, because it activates when you lose a life, and you only have one life on Impoppable, so an ability that activated when you lose the game didn't seem that helpful. And my understanding of Royal Promise was that once you lost a life and Bound By Word kicked in, Royal Promise would make the speed increase permanent, instead of temporary. But then there's that pesky thing about having to lose the game first. Big Hearted Hero could recover from that, but like I said before, my whole focus has always been not to let things get through in the first place.

But now I'm wondering if I misunderstood Royal Promise. Reading the description on the Wiki, it sounds like you get the Bound By Word speed increase when you buy Royal Promise, not after a bloon escapes. That certainly would make Bound By Word a lot more useful.

https://bloons.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Bubblegum

Anyway, interesting reading. You're playing in a very different way from me, which is fine (there should be multiple ways to get through the content). It does make me want to play with Finn some and see if he can be buffed more than I thought.

[wulfster42]

Yeah with royal promise it's permanent without loosing a baloon:) If you do lose one it breaks (even if you have the safety thing) which sucks...but....you can sell fin and PB and rebuy them and get it again that way (lol).

I was doing some fun little runs on apple map and it's so funny how little I have to upgrade for SM to just destroy the 75 bloon. I don't even bother using active abilities, due to all the bonuses they get from trinkets etc. I place PB+SM+Jake+Marc+FP+IK.

FP and IK are literally just there to use their wands for orbs, I place them closer to the enterance, SM is about halfway up the right side. Jake/Marc are along the track so their buffs hit everyone. I get the instrament boost for jake/mac, the range/pierce boost for princess, and all the boosts for SM (don't bother with God or placing his fans).

Auto-advance, don't bother with PB's treasure (not worth hitting every round) and by 75 he takes the final bloon out before it gets to the top of the apple on the first rotation.

Haven't seen anyone else get over level 13 in this current run so far. Honestly though the accumulation of martian coins is so slow, I doubt I'll ever get the 45k+ needed for a legendary item.

[Waste_of_skin]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Haven't seen anyone else get over level 13 in this current run so far. Honestly though the accumulation of martian coins is so slow, I doubt I'll ever get the 45k+ needed for a legendary item.

You're talking about the Martian Games?

If so, round 13 would be pretty impressive. No one in my group has completed round 5, so no one has even taken the throne. "Allies only" on Cursed Mirrors really sucks.

Edit:
Oops. Completely forgot about Powers. It's an old habit. Not long after I first started playing, I wanted to place a character at the bottom of a map and I accidentally activated a power. After that, I found that you could hide the powers and I started doing that when I started every map, to get them out of the way. And then I just never thought about them (out of sight, out of mind). So I basically played the entire game without ever using powers, and still pretty much only use them in the Martian Games. I just didn't think of them when I was trying this MG earlier. I just went back and used a couple of Powers and took the throne. I didn't get much farther than round 10 (one of the powers probably expired and I didn't notice), but taking the throne is enough. I think this MG is about to end anyway.

[wulfster42]

Yeah it should be over soon if not already (got my booster shot and it knocked me out all yesterday).

I got all the way up to theround with multiple red moabs on mine. I just used the money powers and the "turn all baloons up tomoabs into red baloons" powers to do that.

Was pretty easy and yeah nobody else really got anywhere, so most didn't think of using the powers. I don't ever use them (didn't ever use them) during normal maps. Obviously now I certainly wouldn't need to. I have a gazzilion gold though and tons of powers so I can use them at will during the games.

Thing is, even if I kept the throne all the tie, it'll take forever for me to get something nice from the games, and since I don't really need anything other than for the martian games themselves....it seems pointless.

[Waste_of_skin]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Thing is, even if I kept the throne all the tie, it'll take forever for me to get something nice from the games, and since I don't really need anything other than for the martian games themselves....it seems pointless.

Can't really argue with that. But I keep playing. But it's more "casual" now. I do each day's quests and sometimes a beacon map. I'll sometimes try the Martian Games, but the rules can be annoying to deal with, and when you can actually get very far (like round 40 or higher), it takes a long time. So a lot of the time I just don't want to deal with it, or take the time.