Halo CE is an example of how NOT to do games

[Pacer Dawn]

Really, how do people find this fun? You can't outrun anything, even when the AI is screaming at you to hurry. Each level is one small section of map repeated over and over again. And once you hit the Flood? The game REALLY goes downhill fast. Now you enter... HORDE MODE! Ok, I turned that corner and all sorts of mobs suddenly dropped in on me! I try to outrun them but... next corner they catch up and I'm overwhelmed because an entire new squad of mobs hits in front of me! Did. Ok, I hit back at that original group, killed them all, picking up new guns as needed, and finally defeated them. Head to the same corner and... NEW GROUP OF MOBS! Fall back, kill them all, picking up guns. Back to that same corner and... NEW GROUP OF MOBS. Repeat 6-7 times. Ok, now turn the corner. I'm good, Go about 20 seconds to that new area. NEW GROUP OF MOBS! Repeat over and over and over and over...

I really like the story, but please... This game-play is some of the worst I have ever experienced.

[! Cherry]

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[Rekkin]

引用自 The Geneva Suggestion：

引用自 Rekkin：

Fair.

yeah I actually agree with you, I figured you would notice my sarcasm. Silent protagonists aren't good for storytelling imo. They're better for purely immersive games without dialogue, like Limbo or Subnautica. Halo has oodles of dialogue and plenty of moments where the MC should at least report back the situation properly or properly explain himself to his S/O or exchange tactical information with the arbiter (in H3). Half-Life 2 is a great example of the awkwardness of having silent protagonists

I'm not 100% today so totally my mistake not picking it up there.

But yeah, there are just so many times in the series where a superior officer asks Chief what's honestly a pretty simple, basic question and he just does not answer. Sure, Cortana might do it for him, but whenever she's not around his silence is just so painfully obvious. Him talking so much in the Crow's Nest level in 3 was actually really out of character just because he answered the question "How are you?"

[I'm the walrus]

People taking about levels forget that no game had done a story like this in the industry before.
They cutscenes, the writing, the audio design everything was polished
In a way it was the first AAA game we ever saw.
The game has a meta score of 97 FFS.
With limited budget and time they made CE
We all saw what bungie were capable of in halo 2

[I'm the walrus]

引用自 The Geneva Suggestion：

引用自 I'm the walrus：

People taking about levels forget that no game had done a story like this in the industry before.
They cutscenes, the writing, the audio design everything was polished
In a way it was the first AAA game we ever saw.
The game has a meta score of 97 FFS.
With limited budget and time they made CE
We all saw what bungie were capable of in halo 2

deus ex?

Not really

[I'm the walrus]

引用自 I'm the walrus：

引用自 The Geneva Suggestion：

deus ex?

Not really

Not taking anything away from it.

[I'm the walrus]

Yep the writing was great
The story was basically conspiracy theories stitched together
But visuals were piss poor, The voice acting was strange in places and there was only 1 death screaming sound per sex.
Compared to thief the Stealth system felt weak.

[Dash]

引用自 Sabaithal：

引用自 pratae576：

I think the reason why 343 didnt teleport MC up there was because he wanted to see if this reclaimer could hold his own, 343 is a narcissistic little ♥♥♥♥, but at the same time he needs someone who can fight of near endless waves if they are ever threatened by the flood, so the library is the perfect place to test the Chiefs combat effectiveness against the flood.

Why would 343 care how well MC could fight the flood? All he needs is a human, any human, to activate the ring. After that, the human would be DEAD ANYWAY.

It makes absolutely zero logical sense to have them fight in low-light conditions against huge onslaughts of enemies solo in light of that.

Oh well good point.

[I'm the walrus]

the teleportation grid doesnt work like that in a secured facility like the library

[Pwnage]

you have failed to realise the game is over 20 years old. one of the most original fantasy FPS game ever made back when fps games were almost non-existence. youre probably too young to even understand. if so, go play fortnite instead

[Pyrocitor]

引用自 pratae576：

引用自 Sabaithal：

Yeah, the plot really didn't need the library I suppose. I remember the first time I got to the end, 4 levels up, I screamed out loud "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST TELEPORT US UP HERE?!"

I think the reason why 343 didnt teleport MC up there was because he wanted to see if this reclaimer could hold his own, 343 is a narcissistic little ♥♥♥♥, but at the same time he needs someone who can fight of near endless waves if they are ever threatened by the flood, so the library is the perfect place to test the Chiefs combat effectiveness against the flood.

You're onto something there: in the book Halo: The Flood (a novel of the first game) Chief notices a completely mangled, but uninfected, corpse of a marine quite a ways through the library, almost within sight of the Index. Calls him a "hardass SOB" for fighting so far without any augmentation or special armour.

The implication here is that the Monitor had already dragged another potential reclaimer through the same halls, as if it's some kind of deliberate trial/procedure.
I get the impression that, along with Spark's dialog ("last time you asked me..."), this suggests that chief is being basically put through the same fight as whoever was there "last time" before taking the index, as was the fallen marine.

[Pyrocitor]

引用自 The Geneva Suggestion：

引用自 Pyrocitor：

The implication here is that the Monitor had already dragged another potential reclaimer through the same halls, as if it's some kind of deliberate trial/procedure.
I get the impression that, along with Spark's dialog ("last time you asked me..."), this suggests that chief is being basically put through the same fight as whoever was there "last time" before taking the index, as was the fallen marine.

actually, the "last time you asked me if I would fire the halo arrays" thing is because Chief has the genesong of the didact. Still a little fuzzy on the details, but 343 guilty spark was mistaking him for the didact

That's where it all currently looks, regarding the "whoever was there last time" bit.
But I don't think there were any plans for that back when CE was made, aside from that the monitor seemed to be putting it's reclaimer picks through the library battle deliberately, due to mistaken identity.
From what I can tell, Bungie still hadn't picked whether Forerunner were or weren't ancient Humanity by that point.
Since this topic was talking about CEs own design, that's where I was answering from

[Glennard]

引用自 Pyrocitor：

引用自 The Geneva Suggestion：

actually, the "last time you asked me if I would fire the halo arrays" thing is because Chief has the genesong of the didact. Still a little fuzzy on the details, but 343 guilty spark was mistaking him for the didact

That's where it all currently looks, regarding the "whoever was there last time" bit.
But I don't think there were any plans for that back when CE was made, aside from that the monitor seemed to be putting it's reclaimer picks through the library battle deliberately, due to mistaken identity.
From what I can tell, Bungie still hadn't picked whether Forerunner were or weren't ancient Humanity by that point.
Since this topic was talking about CEs own design, that's where I was answering from

as far as im aware through some of the other books out at the time, chief was a descendant of the forrunners (not neccesarily the didect), but humans and forrunners werent the same thing/completely different races. Its hard to link up the "current" cannon from after the 343 bungie split because it wasnt planned (or atleast at the time) to continue like this

[puppet74]

bungie had not decided if forerunners were humans or there own race. it was never decided. people just suspected at the time they were human. knowing that if bungie kept onto halo im sure they would of made them not human as to go against the general consensus at the time.
343i used 343 speach in halo ce to lay the foundation of making forerunner there own alien race.

[Sabaithal]

As has already been said, the forerunners were an entirely different species from humans. However, for some reason humans can interact more directly with forerunner technology than any other race.

And just from reading one of the books (contact harvest, I think) I remember that humans were...something along the lines of "marked as forerunner artifacts". All humans. I think the forerunners did something to ancient humans, though I'm not sure what exactly.

[puppet74]

引用自 Sabaithal：

As has already been said, the forerunners were an entirely different species from humans. However, for some reason humans can interact more directly with forerunner technology than any other race.

And just from reading one of the books (contact harvest, I think) I remember that humans were...something along the lines of "marked as forerunner artifacts". All humans. I think the forerunners did something to ancient humans, though I'm not sure what exactly.

the reason for humans being able to interact with forerunner tech is because the Librarian felt humans deserved a change for the mantle after is was taken away from them when the furerunners wiped them out back to the stone age. She genetically changed them at that point so in the future it would be easier for humans to take the forerunner tech left behind after the halo rings going off. Master chief was given a seed of the didact, hence why 343 guilty spark mistakes him for the didact when they first met. That is activiated in halo 4 cuittscene with the Librarian.
so yeah its all about the mantle. that story line was founded in the games back in halo 3 terminals, which also connect marathon, but that goes into another direction.

Either way bungie left a lot of things a mystery which is why the story was so compelling. It gave 343i a lot a freedom to pick whatever direction they wanted when they took over. But the negative side of all that is they are slowy breaking away any mystery left in halo.
The only real mystery left right now is the Flood. I hope 343i don't explain that away 2.