Halo MCC Bullet Magnetism in PC?

[woof]

Is there bullet magnetism in the PC launch?
How will this affect the nature of the PC competitive game-play?

Would it be kept or removed post-launch?

[KsoChZ]

Just for the sake of not confusing people. "Aim assist" as we call it is only enabled for controllers which is "Player magnetism" as it's called by 343. This is the act of your crosshair physically being pulled towards enemy players so you can track them much easier. This feature WILL NOT be with mouse and keyboard.

"Bullet magnetism" as what we call it is referred to as "Aim assist" by 343. This is the act of your bullets "bending" towards people completely ignoring your crosshair if you miss the target by a very slight amount. This is a feature that is hard coded into nearly all the weapons for Halo and has always been hard coded into them. The best example of this is the "Needler" which has this setting cranked up extremely high as the projectiles are tracking. Since this feature is hard coded into every weapon, both controllers and mouse and keyboard have it. Yes, mouse and keyboard DOES HAVE "Bullet Magnetism" simply because the engine is coded that way.

Hopefully this should clear up some misconceptions and misunderstandings that are going around about this.

[Ayeto]

引用自 Delta：

Yes the games have Bullet Magnetism and Aim-Assist same as almost all other FPS games and it is exactly the same as it was for Halo Combat Evolved and Halo 2 when they released on PC and 343 has stated changing or removing it is not an option even on the table currently.

I don't understand why there is on PC but not on console ? :o

[kripcision]

引用自 Ayeto：

引用自 Delta：

Yes the games have Bullet Magnetism and Aim-Assist same as almost all other FPS games and it is exactly the same as it was for Halo Combat Evolved and Halo 2 when they released on PC and 343 has stated changing or removing it is not an option even on the table currently.

I don't understand why there is on PC but not on console ? :o

its exactly how it was on console. the only difference here is that there is mouse and keyboard which doesnt have the auto aim, just bullet magnetism

[woof]

引用自 vR iS tHe FuTuRe：

引用自 YangDou：

wait wait wait, are you guys saying that both mouse and controller have mandatory aim assist and bullet magnetism? And there is no option available to disable them.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, if it is true, Sayōnara to halo series.

you ever play halo?

It may have existed in the first 2 pc games of halo,

but considering the competitive nature of todays games, halo mcc trying to be a PC game, might compete poorly against in terms of playerbase, gameplay and competitive scene as bullet magnetism seems to be a console game mechanic.This might translate poorly to the preferences of competitive PC gaming enthusiast, which might be the majority, not to mention expectations for this to be a proper PC game seem pretty high?

[kripcision]

引用自 WATHITME：

引用自 vR iS tHe FuTuRe：

you ever play halo?

It may have existed in the first 2 pc games of halo,

but considering the competitive nature of todays games, halo mcc trying to be a PC game, might compete poorly against in terms of playerbase, gameplay and competitive scene as bullet magnetism seems to be a console game mechanic.This might translate poorly to the preferences of competitive PC gaming enthusiast, which might be the majority, not to mention expectations for this to be a proper PC game seem pretty high?

LOL have u tried splitgate, it has this as well, just like halo. its not gonna be an issue, people are gonna play it, even if the eliteist pc gamers dont have approval.

[Delta]

引用自 WATHITME：

引用自 vR iS tHe FuTuRe：

you ever play halo?

It may have existed in the first 2 pc games of halo,

but considering the competitive nature of todays games, halo mcc trying to be a PC game, might compete poorly against in terms of playerbase, gameplay and competitive scene as bullet magnetism seems to be a console game mechanic.This might translate poorly to the preferences of competitive PC gaming enthusiast, which might be the majority, not to mention expectations for this to be a proper PC game seem pretty high?

Every FPS game that allows Controller on PC has these features.

[KingyWingy]

引用自 staryoshi06：

Bullet magnetism is kind of an integral part of the game though. It was never really to help controllers, it's just how the game works.

No. That is ridiculous.

引用自 Pyrocitor：

The needler and plasma pistol homing effects run directly on the same system.
You couldn't just turn it off in options, it would need an entire extra set of weapon assets, which in turn would need a different map variant.

How do you know that is how it works? That would be very inefficient. A toggle would simply set the value for none homing shots to 0, no need to redo any assets.

引用自 WATHITME：

... not to mention expectations for this to be a proper PC game seem pretty high?

Well ofcourse because they said they would do it right.

[staryoshi06]

引用自 KingyWingy：

引用自 staryoshi06：

Bullet magnetism is kind of an integral part of the game though. It was never really to help controllers, it's just how the game works.

No. That is ridiculous.

引用自 Pyrocitor：

The needler and plasma pistol homing effects run directly on the same system.
You couldn't just turn it off in options, it would need an entire extra set of weapon assets, which in turn would need a different map variant.

How do you know that is how it works? That would be very inefficient. A toggle would simply set the value for none homing shots to 0, no need to redo any assets.

And here we see someone who has never done software development in their life.

[Soren]

引用自 WATHITME：

引用自 vR iS tHe FuTuRe：

you ever play halo?

It may have existed in the first 2 pc games of halo,

but considering the competitive nature of todays games, halo mcc trying to be a PC game, might compete poorly against in terms of playerbase, gameplay and competitive scene as bullet magnetism seems to be a console game mechanic.This might translate poorly to the preferences of competitive PC gaming enthusiast, which might be the majority, not to mention expectations for this to be a proper PC game seem pretty high?

Look at Overwatch. You don't have to be directly on the target for your shot to hit. The hitboxes are actually bigger than the player models, which gives a very similar effect to Halo bullet magnetism. Overwatch is decently big on the PC e-sports scene. Overwatch League is entirely PC players too as far as I know. In fact, there have been quite a few moments in the Overwatch League itself where Hanzo's arrow looks like a player magnet. As in, the arrow looks like it changes trajectory at the last moment to hit the player (that isn't what is actually going on it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXSkirhfdU

That isn't the clip from the OWL moment itself (kinda hard to find that specific OWL clip of Hanzo's magic bullet). And it's caused from the player hitting the edge of a hitbox while not hitting the model (so the shot looks like it should have missed until it homes in on you).

[KingyWingy]

引用自 staryoshi06：

And here we see someone who has never done software development in their life.

You are wrong at that point.


Team Fortress 2 also has over sized hit boxes especially for the Huntsman bow. Grrr

[woof]

引用自 staryoshi06：

引用自 KingyWingy：

No. That is ridiculous.



How do you know that is how it works? That would be very inefficient. A toggle would simply set the value for none homing shots to 0, no need to redo any assets.

And here we see someone who has never done software development in their life.

Concept might be close, if i remember correctly?, Bullet Magnetism does not exist when hitting players in your team.

[staryoshi06]

引用自 KingyWingy：

引用自 staryoshi06：

And here we see someone who has never done software development in their life.

You are wrong at that point.


Team Fortress 2 also has over sized hit boxes especially for the Huntsman bow. Grrr

If you've done software development, then maybe you should recognise that things aren't always made ideally.

These weapon values were never made to be clientside. They were always serverside.

[Delta]

引用自 WATHITME：

引用自 staryoshi06：

And here we see someone who has never done software development in their life.

Concept might be close, if i remember correctly?, Bullet Magnetism does not exist when hitting players in your team.

That's because you can't hurt your teammates...

[staryoshi06]

引用自 Delta：

引用自 WATHITME：

Concept might be close, if i remember correctly?, Bullet Magnetism does not exist when hitting players in your team.

That's because you can't hurt your teammates...

yeah you can lol, that's what a betrayal is

[Delta]

引用自 staryoshi06：

引用自 Delta：

That's because you can't hurt your teammates...

yeah you can lol, that's what a betrayal is

Lol, shows how long it's been since I played Halo I totally forgot about that.