Is anything fixed or is it still mostly the same

[Artaniz]

I like the game but for years its had the same issues . Dwarf archers not working etc. The same bugs , the same issues being solved with DFhack , etc etc . Has anything changed has anything actually been fixed , is there any actual immersion anymore or is the game still just you trying to desperately cover up the bugs and glitches and pretend its simulating anything other than a heap of bugs and nonsense ?

I enjoy the game but setting up the same 100 commands so i have soap and basic industry again for the 200th time does not sound fun just so i can get through it all and find out ohh ya this game breaking bug X still exists and probably wont ever be fixed.

So what im asking is in the last 18 months since i played has there been substantial changes made to stability and the overall game or is it still a bugg beautiful mess that has largely been left unchanged with the same bugs from 5 years ago ?

[Terminator]

well and people called ME stupid cause i told there were over 8 years old bugs that were never fixed.
guess we got a club now buddy.
my favourite bug is broker praying in the temple of prosperity while the caravan is waiting.
and then after some time broker dies while praying because he is in a loop and forgot to drink and caravan already left time ago.

[TPark]

Yes, there have been substantial changes in the last 18 months. Do those changes involve fixing the issues that specifically cause you to lose immersion and not want to play? I don't know since I don't know which issues specifically affect your enjoyment. Has the game reached the point where the developers are more interested in fixing old features that don't work quite as intended or are they still focused on adding new features (some of which may or may not work as planned)? IMO, definitely the latter not the former. (Which doesn't happen to bother me, but YMMV).

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by TPark:

Yes, there have been substantial changes in the last 18 months. Do those changes involve fixing the issues that specifically cause you to lose immersion and not want to play? I don't know since I don't know which issues specifically affect your enjoyment. Has the game reached the point where the developers are more interested in fixing old features that don't work quite as intended or are they still focused on adding new features (some of which may or may not work as planned)? IMO, definitely the latter not the former. (Which doesn't happen to bother me, but YMMV).

There are a slew of issues that have been in the game forever , things like Barrels and Bins causing problems which leads to everyone using infinite storage glitching , the afore mentioned archer problem , there are others and they all cause a sort of cascade failure if you are actually trying to get all your micro in order.

Cascading mood because one time they saw it rain for 1 second and you didnt get your multi layer mist generator going in time before your crucial dwarf got lost in infinite melancholy over a book that fell behind a dresser.

Its a fun game for the first 200 hours but to come back and play it and fight with the UI and fight with the hundreds of orders you need to setup to get to the end game and go ohh ya this stuff is still there that i forgot is game breaking has stopped my last 3-5 play through.

I got my money worth and whatever if i never play again but it sounds like there has been no major update to fix the things that are basically decades long bugs now.

[Quack]

I haven't encountered any of the bugs you mentioned, but I'm running dfhack. But in the 90hours or so I played vanilla, none of those bugs happened either. I may have encountered some new ones though, but nothing as serious as that

[Crimson Bolt]

not sure when you last played, but I would say it is significantly better than it used to be...they brushed up a lot of bugs for the steam release...but it is still DF so probably plenty of other ones running around.

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by Crimson Bolt:

not sure when you last played, but I would say it is significantly better than it used to be...they brushed up a lot of bugs for the steam release...but it is still DF so probably plenty of other ones running around.

I have played a lot post Steam release , it was still a very buggy mess if you got more than 30 hours into a game.

Specifically as i said the barrels and bins bug , marksdwarves requiring specific setups to work but still unlikely to ever reload.

Its a bit disingenuous to claim the steam release was cleaned up very much at all it was a mess.

Again im not trying to bash the game i got my money out of it , but i found the accolades about how great it is were not really up to snuff when you got deep into the game and started to run into problems and when you look it up its a known issue for years and everyone is just like ohh ya do this to fix that but the fix is just a bandaid and you ignoring how its messed up.

Sounds like no major update has happened and they are still just plodding along working on adventure mode when i do not care about at all.

[Quack]

sounds like you're just here to vent and not to listen, you cited some very specific bugs and I told you they are not anymore in game, yet you claim nothing major has been fixed. Don't waste our time

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by Quack:

sounds like you're just here to vent and not to listen, you cited some very specific bugs and I told you they are not anymore in game, yet you claim nothing major has been fixed. Don't waste our time

You said you dont think they are in the game , you didnt give any actual information , and you acted like the game is and was bug free anyhow which makes you an unreliable narrator.

I dont want to on the advice of people that sound like they dont even know or maybe never made it to an end game play through start again and encounter the same issues.

Your welcome to not respond , you can be vitriolic if you want it really makes no difference to me. I wont be taking shallow information-less advice from someone that does not seem to understand the question anyhow.

[Quack]

Originally posted by Artaniz:

Originally posted by Quack:

sounds like you're just here to vent and not to listen, you cited some very specific bugs and I told you they are not anymore in game, yet you claim nothing major has been fixed. Don't waste our time

You said you dont think they are in the game , you didnt give any actual information , and you acted like the game is and was bug free anyhow which makes you an unreliable narrator.

I dont want to on the advice of people that sound like they dont even know or maybe never made it to an end game play through start again and encounter the same issues.

Your welcome to not respond , you can be vitriolic if you want it really makes no difference to me. I wont be taking shallow information-less advice from someone that does not seem to understand the question anyhow.

I said no such thing, reread. I have more than 300hours on the last version. And you didn't ask me to elaborate anyway, you just dismissed what I said because you're not actually interested in bug fixes

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by Quack:

Originally posted by Artaniz:

You said you dont think they are in the game , you didnt give any actual information , and you acted like the game is and was bug free anyhow which makes you an unreliable narrator.

I dont want to on the advice of people that sound like they dont even know or maybe never made it to an end game play through start again and encounter the same issues.

Your welcome to not respond , you can be vitriolic if you want it really makes no difference to me. I wont be taking shallow information-less advice from someone that does not seem to understand the question anyhow.

I said no such thing, reread

Correct you said nothing , you said you think you dont know , you gave no answer on when the patch changed , you have 90 hours in vanilla and you try and act like i should just accept your umm i think its ok bro post.

I dont take i think as an answer with any credibility , when i know something i know it i dont think it.

Im not interested in arguing with an internet stranger , my post is about long standing bugs your 90 hours are irrelevant to me i have 10 X that , im glad your enjoying the game also , when you have a couple hundred hours and have actually learned the game you might not be so quick to just claim bugs dont exist.

[Saver Sigonith]

Woah, goodness, you don't gotta yell at 'em...

Quack is correct - most of the bugs you cited have been patched. Bins and barrels work pretty well now, and marksdwarves collect ammo without much tomfoolery. And mist generators aren't necessary to keep your dwarves happy - you just need to keep an eye on their needs.

No one is claiming the game isn't buggy. It's Dwarf Fortress, it's a labyrinthine mess with a million overlapping systems sprawling decades. And yes, the devs get excited by new ideas and run off to make new stuff rather than polish everything. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing but it is how we got this incredibly unique game and there's something to be said for that.

That's not going to be everyone's cup of tea and that's ok. DFHack's amazing at picking up the devs' slack on QoL but even it's not perfect. You can be frustrated by it! It frustrates me at times too. But don't take it out on folks in forum just trying to help answer your question. If you don't like their 90, try my 600 + hundreds pre-steam. Geez :S

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by Saver Sigonith:

Woah, goodness, you don't gotta yell at 'em...

Quack is correct - most of the bugs you cited have been patched. Bins and barrels work pretty well now, and marksdwarves collect ammo without much tomfoolery. And mist generators aren't necessary to keep your dwarves happy - you just need to keep an eye on their needs.

No one is claiming the game isn't buggy. It's Dwarf Fortress, it's a labyrinthine mess with a million overlapping systems sprawling decades. And yes, the devs get excited by new ideas and run off to make new stuff rather than polish everything. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing but it is how we got this incredibly unique game and there's something to be said for that.

That's not going to be everyone's cup of tea and that's ok. DFHack's amazing at picking up the devs' slack on QoL but even it's not perfect. You can be frustrated by it! It frustrates me at times too. But don't take it out on folks in forum just trying to help answer your question. If you don't like their 90, try my 600 + hundreds pre-steam. Geez :S

This is the problem with steam and the internet in general. First i never yelled but im not interested in some guys i think its ok bro post.

Second your second and third paragraphs are exactly what im saying the game is a buggy mess , this isnt an attack you dont all have to attack me for saying what you said just because you think the game needs protecting it does not .

I have hundreds of hours i want to not waste my time playing again until a major overhaul of the games long standing bugs takes place.

Your second and third paragraphs reiterating what i said but acting like its some new idea and ignoring that was my point anyhow is just icing on the cake. Instead of jumping to defend all the time it would be nice to just get answers and people not take fair criticism ( the game is a buggy mess you say so yourself) and feel they have to defend the game instead of just answering the critique.

Its not about cup of tea or not i have over a thousand hours in this game , its about not playing again until substantial fixes have happened because ive done all the things many times and all roads lead to a buggy mess of an endgame , every time.

Desiring to find good information from other long term players ( see not noobs more worried about defending the games honor or whatever is going on in this thread from you guys that cant read) is the goal not from noobs or casuals saying ohh ya man its totes fine ever since the steam launch which is not the case for anyone that has actually played numerous fortresses to max dwarfs and slaying dozens of forgotten beasts etc.

Not wanting to accept low information obvious fanboy posts ( hey i love the game also but i have a specific issue that i want to know is no longer the case before i play again ) is not me yelling at anyone its simply me being honest that i am not interested in shallow information-less answers from people who seem too emotionally invested in protecting the honor of the game and not in answering the questions with validity and information.

[Quack]

You're not the first to make such posts, which are not very indicative of any veteran or knowledgeable player, on the contrary.. there was this other guy which started a "is it playable yet" thread, received many answers, then proceeded to blast em all with "ahah stupid fanboys get rekt lmao".
This is the same kind of thread.

[Artaniz]

Originally posted by Quack:

You're not the first to make such posts, which are not very indicative of any veteran or knowledgeable player, on the contrary.. there was this other guy which started a "is it playable yet" thread, received many answers, then proceeded to blast em all with "ahah stupid fanboys get rekt lmao".
This is the same kind of thread.

I certainly dont know what your talking about and id appreciate you not derailing my thread any further with whatever your doing now .

I asked specific questions you dont have an answer , move on man im not interested in your mouth diarrhea and whatever this last post is about some other guy.

[Saver Sigonith]

I answered your questions. I don't know what you want.